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Abbott a threat both to fairness and prosperity : Comments

By Tristan Ewins, published 10/8/2010

We can't afford Abbott's austerity.

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Just a few points in response:

Ludwig: you say I miss peak oil, population; sustainability.

This is true: but it's because I focus mainly on social wage and tax reform issues. A) I'd reached my word limit and B) I didn't want to spread myself too thinly. But of course I believe the issues you raise are incredibly important: and I have little doubt they will be raised by other people.

Shadow Minister: You say I 'make no attempt to rationally debate the issues'. I don't accept this is true. In the last paragraphs I make some quick 'punchy' points on the environment and Abbott 'running scared on the economy'.

But earlier I develop significant and detailed arguments about the ageing population, declining labour market participation, what this means for govt revenue and the social wage; and why this means progressive tax reform is a must. (a must that few people are facing, inc the major parties) This is the main thrust of my essay. Anyone who hasn't read right through might therefore like to look again.

Chris: You urge me to consider Abbott's rationale. Fair enough; but I had the matter of a word limit. I have dealt with this in great detail elsewhere, though. Go through some of my earlier OLO posts and see my Review of Abbott's book 'Battlelines'. And feel welcome to discuss that here too.

Good at least to have provoked some debate.

sincerely,

Tristan
Posted by Tristan Ewins, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 11:03:27 AM
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I'll be voting for the Greens but the real conundrum is the sorry task of trying to sort out who is the best of a bad lot in the Lib/Lab department.It's a close run thing,Tristan, for those of us who are not ideologically blind.
Posted by Manorina, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 7:51:44 AM
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Tristan,

I am not convinced with your criticism of Abbott, which reads more like propaganda for anti-Coalition parties.

I think if you going to be so critical of Abbott you need to discuss some of the rationale behind Abbott's thinking. To suggest he is not compassionate is simply an insult. For instance, he opposes super clinics on the basis that they also override small family clinics.

Abbott may be right or incorrect, but you should at least discuss his rationale.

And you talk about Abbott making cuts elsewhere, although he offers more on mental health. Fact is that Australia has a low proportion of its health budget spent on mental services. Also, is not Labor also masking cuts elsewhere by constantly favouring health as its big picture policy option?

I think Aust has two major parties that do differ over their degree of govt intervention, but that they are both mainly centrist parties. Any analysis that portrays Labor and the Greens as the good guys, and the Coalition as mean-spirited, is being simplistic and again merely preaching to the converted.

If I saw that one side of politics was deliberately trying to destroy the social fabric of aust, i would join the club of savage critics. But what i see is both major parties doing little about housing, arguably the most important issue given the costs involved. I also see both struggling with the issues.

That is why i am not impressed with arguments that simply make out that Labor is the answer, especially after its recent perfomance.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 7:53:49 AM
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This is a party political broadcast.

There is no attempt what so ever to actually rationally debate or assess the issues.

Tristan Ewins has simply become an echo of Julia Gillard. As a member of the socialist left it would appear that he like most of his peers is economically illiterate.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 8:15:52 AM
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The main thing with Abbott is that he isnt true to himself.
His book and his past actions make it clear what his beliefs are. Yet he has supposedly refuted every one of them to get elected. Who can seriously consider such a blatant and disingenuous flip flopper.

Either he is a liar intending to reveal his true self after he has won the election or he is prepared to do anything to win while not actually believing anything he says he does.

Either way it would be a huge RISK to vote for this man and bring back all the worst policies of the last coalition government.
Dont forget the mean tricky government Abbott was a vital part of.

The racist government that introduced the NT intervention. The dog whistling and the vilification of immigrants. The treatment of David Hicks and Mamdou Habib. Not to mention the vile incarceration and deportation of Dr Haneef. The lack of infrastructure spending while giving huge tax breaks to the wealthy. The rorted spending in marginal electorates. The AWB selling grain to Saddam Hussein. The constant fights with state governments. The never ever GST.

Dont forget that the mad monks cabinet will contain his political womb Bronwyn Bishop, Julie the mexican staring frog Bishop, sloppy Joe Hockey, backdoor Barnaby Joyce, Kevin bloody Andrews, Phillip the cadaver Rudock, Christopher spiv Pyne, Turnbull, Tuckey, Truss.

Hell if you vote for Abbot the only one you wont get back is Howard!
Nuff said I think.
Posted by mikk, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 9:56:42 AM
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<< There are many reasons to vote against Abbott in the coming election… >>

There certainly are. But the same is true for Gillard.

Tristan, under your heading: < The “bigger picture” - what’s really at stake? >, you list Abbot’s shortcomings. Fair enough. But if you were to espouse Gillard’s purported progressive policies in this area, we’d find that she and Labor are just as critically flawed.

As is nearly always the case with political articles on OLO, you completely miss the all-important really big picture issues of a sustainable society, population policy and our dependence on oil.

Despite her initial rhetoric against a big Australia and in favour of a sustainable Australia, Gillard has not developed policies that would genuinely take us in this direction….at all. She continues to prop up the rapid-continuous-growth-with-no-end-in-sight crazy and utterly anti-sustainability-oriented paradigm…and the consequent rush towards the cliff of economic and social collapse!

<< Vote 1 for Labor, or the Greens: but for Australia’s sake put the Liberals and Nationals last. >>

For Australia’s sake, vote for NO ONE! Neither of the major parties deserves the vote of any thinking person. They would both take us horribly in the wrong direction, strongly away from a sustainable future. And you can’t vote for anyone else without your vote very likely filtering down and counting for either Lab or Lib, such is the disgusting nature of our compulsory preferential system.
Posted by Ludwig, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 10:27:35 AM
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