Greg Lees is seriously out of date . Keppler ,Galileo and the burning of some monk in 1600 is a long way removed from filtering the internet in the 21st. century.

But he obviously has not gone chasing pornography, for he has not discovered how easy it is for his grandchildren to unearth some of the most disgusting pictures that are available. And he certainly does not know how addicted small children are to chasing on the net, Nor how modern research tells us how easily even adults are influenced, and how so much more children are.

I suspect, however, that he does not have grandchildren , for no adult, no matter how liberated, would want 8, 10 , 12 year olds to go chasing and encounter the abominable filth put on the net by deranged adults

Severin,

I don’t usually respond to your comments because you have made your opinions quite clear on everything – as you are entitled to – and I have nothing say because you are never going to agree with me, nor I with you.

On the matter of authoritarian Labor’s intended internet censorship, my first post said everything I had to say about internet censorship. Censorship is the theme of the article, not illegal entrants. My response to Briar Rose’s comment stems only from the fact that I think her comment lumping pro-censorship feelings in with anti-illegals is wrong; certainly in my case, and she doesn’t know the feelings of other people well enough to make such a presumptuous statement. Like many people, she is quick to label people as having the same opinions on everything just because she doesn’t like what they say on one or a few subjects. She can get back to me or not, as she wishes.

But, you come along, totally off subject, and give me a lecture – or rather, you “indict’ me for the simple fact of having a liberal attitude to censorship, but a conservative one to illegal entry to Australia.

Any time you want to say anything about any of my posts, have a go at me by all means. But, I suggest that you learn a lot more about people, their ideas and beliefs and how they might not all adopt a one-size-fits-all political stance. There are many of us who do not base our thoughts on what a political party tells us to think; and while we might take a left or right wing stance (for want of a better description) on one issue, it doesn’t mean we take the same stance on another issue.

I’m sure will have ample opportunity to stay on subject and have a go at me in future. Just remember, that I think that you are wrong, just as much you think I’m wrong.

Leigh

If there is one thing we will agree on it is that we are unlikely to concur on much. However, if you had actually read my post you would know we agree on one point on this thread.

I am fully aware that Briar Rose brought the 'red herring' of 'boat people' to the thread. You did not need to respond. That you did and that you consider people seeking asylum as of greater concern than hard core porn struck a nerve. As I am sure it would with many people.

I did not make the generalisation:

"that voters who support Conroy in his mad mission are the same voters who want to stop the boats. It's the same mind set."

Briar Rose did.

I am fully aware that everyone holds a variety of (and often contrary) views, therefore, your admonishment to me that:

>> I suggest that you learn a lot more about people, their ideas and beliefs and how they might not all adopt a one-size-fits-all political stance. <<

Was not necessary.

In summary, I agree with your position on Conroy vis a vis internet censorship, from there we part company as there IS porn made at the expense of others - people are harmed, particularly children and this is the issue that needs addressing not internet censorship.

I do hope this is clear enough for you.

My dear Runner. With all due respect, the filter will do nothing to restrict the movement of child exploitation material. This is what people well versed in all things Internet have been telling Conroy since the filters inception. The blo*dy thing simply doesn't and won't work!

This is not about stopping kiddie porn or anything like it. The filter is all about our Government destroying our democratic rights. Surely even you must be concerned about Government 'secret' lists.

Since Labor and the Coalition are on the nose and Family First is a ridiculous joke, I might be tempted to direct my preferences towards the Sex Party. At least they're not burdened by antiquated religious superstition.

I agree completely Greg Lees, I see nothing but an attempt by a corrupt immoral government with a long history of gross misconduct trying to get control of the biggest thorn in its side- the free expression on the internet. Maybe blacklist a few politics sites critical of its policy it can pretend are 'extreme'?

Briar Rose- not really. It WOULD be the same people that want to ban euthanasia, or political viewpoints that are different to themselves. The kind of mentally-sick people that can't sleep well at night unless they feel like their heroes are controlling society. Godwin would forgive me comparing them quite nicely to another society that thought like this.

Peter Bowden- no offense, but children shouldn't be allowed to use the internet AT ALL, due to the ability to do online credit card purchases, political sites and lack of judgement skills to handle online communication with strangers etc- just as they shouldn't be allowed to watch the news, drive, or drink alcohol. Just because some people are bad parents, doesn't mean society must be retarded down to compensate. While we're at it, lets ban cars too, because it's dangerous for kids to drive?

Nothing left to say, the evidence of why the net filter does NOT stop pedophiles accessing child pornography, and a fair bit that it would prevent detective's methods of tracing it to them, has been said a million times.
Sadly I think a good many voters are simply computer illiterate and don't actually understand how the whole thing works.

I'd like to leave with one question- can anyone give a single reason why they would still vote for Labor in the next election, despite this? And still supporting the filter, or simply not liking the Liberals and being too lazy to find another centrist party aren't excuses.

King Hazza

Am not voting Labor or Liberal - Greens and who ever else I deem appropriate to place between Lab/Libs.

BTW

Agree with your post.

Cheers