Westralis, on Saturday, 24 July 2010 at 3:07:59 AM, said:

"Although most of the stuff on this thread
and what Pilger said is known and not disputed,
I had not clued on to the possibility of a
foreign hand dealing the cards behind events
leading to the demise of PM Rudd."

You do well to ponder along those lines, Westralis, although whether it should be in the precise direction in which the thread appears at this point to be headed, I am not quite so sure.

It is interesting to read Pilger's article referring to the time when Hawke was PM. Not since the day when Bill Hayden, as Leader of the Opposition in 1983, was toppled from the leadership in favour of Bob Hawke, have I seen such a swift, decisive, and bloodless coup take place. I draw from these two events the conclusion that there must be some enormously pursuasive influence capable of being brought to bear that overrides all other loyalties or considerations, such that none demur.

I have to feel that it is in some manner perceived as being to do with the relative electoral certainty of the survival of both individual members, and the parliamentary party collectively as a government, that such events take place. The first such took place just around the time when the centralization of the keeping of the electoral rolls was taking place, at a time when full, or maybe even over-full, enrolment existed. The second has only just occurred, and that against the background of proposals floated in the Electoral Reform Green Paper. http://www.dpmc.gov.au/consultation/elect_reform/strengthening_democracy/index.cfm

I am beginning to suspect there may be a Swiss connection, and that of a type to which the Swiss themselves are starting to wake up in their own domestic politics, in relation to matters of foreknowable relative certainty of electoral outcomes in Australia.

I would very much appreciate hearing your take, and John Pilger's if I could be so lucky, on what I think I am seeing here: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3810#93520 , especially in the light cast by the Swiss refusal to extradite Polanski to the US.

John Pilger had a word coined to describe his work. It was said to pilgerise a victim, and Julia has been pilgerised. There is a much more interesting factor in play in Australia today, and that is the fact that Rudd recognized the way that Christianity was a key factor in Howard’s reign, and that to get back power, he had to court the Christians.

He was most successful in that, insofar as he conducted almost 18 months of campaigning, in order to do so, painting Howard as an uncompassionate and unChristian Prime Minister. As an Anglican regular his credentials were impeccable. The Atheist tag proved fatal for Latham. The key marginals, where the Christian swingers live, have only to swing the 2.5% that Anthony Green says it will take to change the government, and it only needs 8 of those marginals to swing.

This factor will not come up on polling radar, because there is a margin of 5% error, so add 5% to the Liberal Vote for the Christian swinging vote, when reading a poll. The sleeping tiger, that Yamamoto did not want to wake, when ordered to bomb Pearl Harbor, will open its one eye, and blink. Almighty God is nobody’s fool. The Unholy alliance between big business and atheism, and the tentacles of the Jewish lobby, have extended into the Labor Party, and it is unhealthy.

Seven weeks out in 2004, Latham led by the same margin as Gillard, and Rudd in 2007. Tony has four weeks, and is courting the women’s vote. He is already equal 50/50 Australia wide in the men’s vote, and the women can be wooed. After all that’s what men do. I am most interested in the results in the marginals, Leichhardt in FNQ and Calare in Southern New South Wales could go either way, and will probably go one each. That will kill their litmus test status, because they have swung, with whoever wins government every election since WWII. If they split and the government changes, it will be from the strong influence of Christianity in Leichhardt, based on Cairns.

julia/loves israel..or rather...FEARS..its lobby...but*

the joke/falls..upon the BOTH/of the two parties

with their destractive..spin..all the while..serving big-business/AND special/intrests...the..public's money...via gifts../corperate-welfare

we hear/that the cost of action/
..ie big-spending now...is less'than the cost..of not acting...

but..here is..the joke

we are overtaxed...with revenue/raising..running rampant..at all levels of govt..[its because of/things like jonny/howhard..giving half a billion/..to a mate...to run/..or rather..not run...a magnesium-plant/gladstone....THAT WAS NEVER BUILT

then peter/beatup/beaty...who promises..cheaper electicity..[what a joke]..and...gave half/a billion..to the same con artist/two party supporter..as jh..

[seems..the half a billion/dolar..gift...was to pay shareholders..their dividend...which reveales/the big lie]

see that/the two party system...serves..its masters...ie big-business..[take the subsidies..on medicine...50 thousand for a cancer-drug..that dosnt work...per..'treatment'..

or a billion/corporate-subsidy..for 'stroke-medication'..that is no more affective..than inhaling..a puff/..from a joint...according to studies

i wont..get into/the war..on drug-users...
but/see..this cost of doing something..is big/money-grabbing spin

[take the latest/..from julia...who will/lose..this election...mainly because of..un-thought-out..policy/..on the run

like this/latest..2 billion...lol..
for 200,000..poor*people...to buy new*cars...

think about it...us/poor..take the bus...!

even if you gave me 5000...i still cant afford..to BUY/..a NEW CAR...get it julia?

see how..2 billion...COULD have taken-off..a few of the..30 year old BUS'es...doing 1000 times/more..road miles..than us poor...who only use our cars..once a week..!

[julia COULD have..given 20,000..to get 10,000 busses/..OFF THE ROAD...[see we poor/..live in busses as well]10,000..NEW HOMES...thats WIN!WIN!..not whine!/win

but/..look at..what a carbon-tax would do...
[give subsidy for growing more gmo corn..to make subsidised ethonol..for ever more cars

[or subsidise the tearing up of rain forrest..to grow palm oil..on palm island

govt/..is run by..big business..SEEKING TO SUCK THE max/TAX..OUT OF THE PUBLIC TROUGH/..leeching off..the public*purse..

its far easier/..to get the poor to account..than bring big-busines to heel

yes big business wants to MOVE FORWARD..
but is..on the edge/of a cliff
[moving forward...THE WAY WE HAVE BEEN..is called suicide...

moving for who/..to where?...the autro industry?

[its unthinking/obediance..to the powers that be..that makes you loose..this election julia]..think..before you step over the cliff!

the two/party-system..is run/to..help big-business...!

WHILE OPPRESING THE POOR..WITH EVER MORE/NEW TAXES..
ever more cost for less public service..
ever more petty rules for the people...

while big business goes forward*..with big/bonus..business..as usual

"The government claims it is “protecting” black Australian children from “abuse” and “neglect” within their communities. Official statistics show that the incidence of child abuse is no different from that of white Australia "

John while sharing concerns about the likelihood of other agenda's influencing the intervention I was intrigued by your claim regarding the rates of incidence of child abuse. The stuff I've seen suggests massivly higher incidence rates for indigenous children than the general population.

http://www.aifs.gov.au/nch/pubs/sheets/rs10/rs10.html

"In 2008-09, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children comprised 4.6% of Australian children, and 25% of all confirmed reports of abuse or neglect. This means that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children were more than 7.5 times more likely than other children to be the subject of a confirmed report of abuse or neglect than non-Indigenous children (see Table 1)."

Various other sources I've seen appear to suggest similar ratio's. I can't recall where but I have seen material pointing out that indiginous children in urban area's are subjected to similar rates of abuse to the national average and the more regional the child the greater the risk. Factors such as poverty, parental unemployment, substance abuse etc play a massive role.

R0bert

The Church I attend today gave a sermon on the same prayer Julia would say if she was present at the start of each day in the Parliament of the Commonwealth and was not an Atheist. It was pretty good and given by a woman. That prayer is the Lord’s prayer. It should be mandatory at the start of the day in every court.

The taxman should abide its provisions, and those of you who are having trouble with the taxman, should be told by your accountant about S 340 of the Tax Administration Act 1953, which used to be S 232 of the Tax Act 1936 but got shifted and hidden on Peter Costello’s watch. It is the hardship provision, and if you are suffering Mortgage Stress, you should apply for a full refund of all your last six year’s tax, because the Commonwealth has pledged to provide just terms, in every acquisition of property from Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second subjects. That is S 51 Placitum xxxi Constitution and it applies to taxation. Don’t say that blogging is a waste of time.

Now my second tip of the day is to ask Tony and Julia which one of them will give us back our freedom of religion. We used to be able to go to a court, and have our prayers answered, and the passage from Luke 11 Verses 1-13 was treated as law. The Judge was forbidden on pain of excommunication, until the Constitution became our New Testament, in 1900, from deciding any question of fact. The request to the Supreme Court in Victoria on an Originating Motion, is still called a prayer. The Tipstaff, who still has a Golden Crown on each lapel, starts proceedings with God Save the Queen, and says the same thing when it’s all over.

The Parliament of the Commonwealth is prohibited absolutely from changing that system. So too are State Governments, by S 116 Constitution. We are now forced to worship one of the State Gods, who call themselves Magistrates and Judges. This is what Jesus Christ came to end

The Parliament of the Commonwealth is a court (of Our God). So said Justice McHugh in 1996, during a hearing that gave us the “ Kable Principle”. The “ Kable Principle” was that the States cannot create arbitrary courts, and lock people up without due process of law.

Due process of law was a form of worship, incorporated by the English into everyday life, by the Parliaments of the day. Every sinner was called to answer to Almighty God in a court comprising a representative of Almighty God, called a Justice, twelve people gathered together, in the name of Jesus Christ called a jury sitting on the right hand side of His Honour, with the Holy Spirit deemed to be present doing the judging, through the collective minds of the twelve.

No one had to be a compulsory sinner, and all could with a clear conscience take Holy Communion, in another Church on Sunday. The only unforgivable sin in Christendom, is blasphemy, and it is in Luke 12:10. No Parliament should force a man or woman to sell their soul to the State (Satan) for thirty pieces of silver. They can’t all be atheists. The Holy Spirit is the judge in a court created by Ch III Constitution. It can have a single individual in it exercising the power to give directions, and that is what Magistrates can do in Victoria, and why S 100 of the Magistrates Court Act 1989, is an illegal enactment. We almost got a Supreme Court Justice to declare that, last Friday, but he chickened out.

He scuttled out of the court probably knowing he had failed to do his public duty, under the Constitution. Christians are told to forgive him, for he knew not what he was doing, having been misguided by the lawyer for the Commonwealth who was the respondent. The Queen, like Almighty God under English law never makes a mistake, but she sure as hell gets led astray. Quick and Garran in their annotated Constitution, on Page 689, says assent is a separate co-equal and independent branch of the Federal Parliament