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Secularism and religious tolerance : Comments

By David Fisher, published 26/7/2010

Secularism holds that a person’s religious belief or lack of same is no business of the government.

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The problem with this article is that I fell asleep four times while reading it.

That humans in 2010 are discussing religion demonstrates our slow evolution as a species. Theobabble should've disappeared long ago given that we have some intelligence but, sadly, not enough.

Anyway, this article will provide useful relief for insomniacs!
Posted by David G, Monday, 26 July 2010 4:17:32 PM
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And of course our very own Australian christian lobby is essentially Calvinist through and through.

That is why they had wet dreams over Mel Gibson's splatter/snuff film The Passion. And celebrated it as a great missionary tool.

As did Opus Dei supporters. It was an Opus Dei production.

A very well known Sydney Cardinal is very sympathetic to Opus Dei, as indeed was the previous pope.

Anyone for the applied politics of suffering and pain?

http://www.logosjournal.com/hammer_kellner.htm
Posted by Ho Hum, Monday, 26 July 2010 4:19:25 PM
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Dan,

Of Calvin: "...the church does not have the authority to impose penalties for civil offenses...."

Pope Benedict is very unhappy with Belgium government authotities seizing Church records in Belgium for alledged civil offences, saying Canon Law also applies. Calvin did come into that Faith's picture
Posted by Oliver, Monday, 26 July 2010 4:22:44 PM
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Dear Squeers and Loudmouth,

Marx was a horrible bigot (Read “On the Jewish Question” for an expression of his bigotry) and an advocate of tyranny.

In the Manifesto Marx advocated ten policies to apply to most advanced countries. The following five are instruments of tyranny:

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

Why shouldn’t I leave some of what I have worked for to my children?

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

I left the US to come to Australia but still get my US social security payments. Marx would deny them to me.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

The above eliminates freedom of expression. The Marxist countries followed Marx rigorously in that area.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

You can’t have industrial and agricultural armies without coercion.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

People should be able to live where they want to live – not where government decides.

Also from the Manifesto:

“By this, the long-wished for opportunity was offered to "True" Socialism of confronting the political movement with the socialistic demands, of hurling the traditional anathemas against liberalism, against representative government, against bourgeois competition, bourgeois freedom of the press, bourgeois legislation, bourgeois liberty and equality, and of preaching to the masses that they had nothing to gain, and everything to lose, by this bourgeois movement.”

Marx advocated getting rid of the bourgeois mechanisms which protect us from state tyranny. In his perceived Utopia they would not be needed.

Lenin and the other Marxist scum did precisely that.

Read the Manifesto carefully. It’s a recipe for tyranny, and the Marxist dictators were good at following the recipe.
Posted by david f, Monday, 26 July 2010 4:53:10 PM
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I am delighted to say that I cannot contribute anything to a discussion on Calvinism or any other religion. However, to join in the spirit of the discussion and the article which mist go down as one of the longest ever, I must say that I am a secularist and I do agree with religious tolerance.

But to satisfy Ho Hum, in a field in which I am better qualified, I certainly can tell him the casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan to this day but cannot forecast the future in an Iran war if the Zionazis in Israel have their way and America follows on like a little puppy assuming the people in the US don't wake from their apathetic sleep.

Here goes

Iraq

Iraqis 1,566, 350
US soldiers 4, 730

Afghanistan
Civilians and Taliban, unknown
US soldiers 1947
Australians and other NATO forces, unknown

Cost of both skirmishes to date is US $ 1,018,748,808,645

Some of those costs could be recoverable (but probably won't be) as the US military is assisting in the collection, transport and distribution of the output from the largest poppy plantation in the history of the world, needed, as if you didn't know already, to maintain the Afghanistan economy which would collapse without it.

Somehow makes a discussion on religion pale into insignificance.
Posted by rexw, Monday, 26 July 2010 5:28:09 PM
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"Marx was a horrible bigot (Read “On the Jewish Question” for an expression of his bigotry) and an advocate of tyranny." So sayeth Davidf.

Given that the meaning of a bigot is: 'A person who is intolerant especially regarding religion, race and politics,' surely it then follows that all Jews are bigots. Why?

Because they see themselves as the Children of God and believe that all other believers (Gentiles) are inferior to them.

Of course some Jews think that Muslims are subhuman (Palestinians) which takes bigotry to a whole new level!
Posted by David G, Monday, 26 July 2010 5:30:41 PM
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