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Gillard and the Gen Y vote : Comments

By Ramya Krishnan, published 20/7/2010

Now more than ever Julia Gillard cannot afford to be seen as sitting on her hands on the critical issue of climate change.

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The body of scientific knowledge is both pinnacle of human achievement and foundation of past and future prosperity for a modern techno-civilisation and understanding of climate is something beyond price; make no mistake, the campaign attacking it isn't this vicious because science is wrong, but because it's right.

Most of the attackers are misinformed and mistaken and probably sincere but this is an ongoing campaign to subvert reasoned debate by undermining public confidence in our fundamental institutions and their practitioners. Not by showing climate science is wrong; but by convincing the public it's wrong when it isn't. The most it's shown is that a leading scientist handled a flood of hostile FOI's from such implacable attackers badly.

I advise everyone to look to NCAR, NASA, NOAA, CSIRO, BoM, WMO, the tier one Universities and National Academies - that actually do science - for real science. Are they are all completely incompetent as well as lying, dishonest, deliberately deceivers? Utter nonsense. Even the world's Security and Intelligence services have failed to find any conspiracy, although I have no doubt political leaders have made such requests.

Seems it's okay for climate science disbelievers to call for practitioners of science to be criminally charged - even with crimes against humanity - for no more than doing their important jobs well, yet the real story is that AGW is absolutely real and the impacts will in time kill people in large number. This campaign to prevent action on this will mean that number will be far larger, so it goes beyond mere academic disagreement. The disbelievers are happy to dish it out but can't take it; one more sign of the weakness of their position.

This ongoing conspiracy to undermine reasoned discourse, distort democratic processes and eat away at the foundations of our most valuable institutions may not rate as legally criminal but to my mind it goes far beyond being merely irresponsible and has crossed into culpable. From those amongst them who know full well the science is sound it's despicable.
Posted by Ken Fabos, Friday, 23 July 2010 10:19:15 AM
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to summarize Ken's response to rpg

rpg "Are skeptics of AGW, terrorists?"

Ken "bluster bluster bluster rant rant rant" translation "no".

Ken backs down from demanding punitive measures against non-believers, withdraws personal fatwah and jihad.

Bullies pretty well always back down when challenged
Posted by Amicus, Friday, 23 July 2010 11:00:02 AM
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Ken Fabos “If these were buildings being attacked rather than scientific understandings and ideas those doing so would be Terrorists.”

Yes, the Church of Rome held a similar attitude toward Cathar’s back in the 13th century and later again toward the Huguenots.

Of course, the inquisition was obsessed by any challenge to its power and perceptions of its own omnipotence.

I feel a return to those dark days for anyone who dares challenge the authority of climate science

May well be in the best interests of the zealots of global warming but

it is certainly not in the best interests of mankind in general.
Posted by Stern, Friday, 23 July 2010 2:04:01 PM
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