Mr Pendantic GY

The use of the word "illegal" in conjunction with boat people is possibly mandatory for the Liberal right.

Need we go over that use of "illegal" is incorrect given the follow FACTS:

# It follows from this Article that detention should only be resorted to in cases of necessity. The detention of asylum seekers who come "directly" in an irregular manner should, therefore, not be automatic, nor should it be unduly prolonged. The reason for this is that once their claims have been examined they may prove to be refugees entitled to benefit from Article 31. Conclusion No. 44 (XDDCVH) of the Executive Committee on the Detention of Refugees and Asylum Seekers sets the standard in more concrete terms of what is meant by the term "necessary". It also provides guidelines to States on the use of detention, and recommendations as to certain procedural guarantees to which detainees should be entitled.

# The term "coming directly" covers the situation of a person who enters the country in which asylum is sought directly from the country of origin, or from another country where his protection could not be assured. It is clear from the travaux préparatoires, however, that the term also covers a person who transits an intermediate country for a short time without having applied for or received asylum there. The drafters of the Convention introduced the term "coming directly" not to exclude those who had transited another country, but rather to exclude those who "had settled temporarily" in one country, from freely entering another (travaux préparatoires A/CONF.2/SR 14 p.10). No strict time limit can be applied to the concept "coming directly", and each case will have to be judged on its merits. The issue of "coming directly" is also related to the problem of identifying the country responsible for examining an asylum request and granting adequate and effective protection.

Cont'd

There are in fact solutions. Firstly the 1951 UN Convention needs
updating by 60 years, so that it stops being the migration rort
that it is now. It sounds like the Britsh Govt would agree,
according to Sheridan's article.

Next only give permanent residency to those refugees coming from
refugee camps, temporary protection visas for the rest, with the
Minister of Immigration able to make exceptions in some cases.

The people who are part of the migration rort want Australian
permanent residency. It is quite within our present powers to
reject that.

David G,
Would it not be far simpler to acknowledge that the previous government actually stopped the boats coming by issueing TPVs to those found to be refugees and others without identity. But as the boats are still coming after this government suspended processing, obviously the 'illegals' do not believe what this government says, any more than I do.

The boats were stopped and this government has created the current problem.

Gee thanks for the link to the Wikipedia emoticons CJ. That’s all new to me. :-* :-* :-*

You wrote:

<< I hope this helps >>

And then you gave poor old Corny and Luddy the middle finger!

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Dear oh deary me! ( :> |

The Liberal National Party had a full-page ad in last weekend’s Townsville Bulletin and presumably many others papers around the country, with Abbott’s stern face in just about life-size full colour, and this message….

We will retake control of our borders to stop people smuggling

I will reverse Labor’s soft approach on border protection and stem the flow of record illegal arrivals with real action:

We will stop queue jumping and process all illegal boat arrivals offshore.

We will deny permanent visas to people who arrive illegally, granting temporary visas only.

We will require all those receiving temporary protection to work to receive welfare benefits.

Importantly, we will turn back the boats whenever we safely can.

The only we to stop people smugglers is to deny them a product to sell and take back control of our borders.

We did it before and we can do it again.

I ask for your support to do exactly that.

SUPPORT REAL ACTION.
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Compare this to Gillard’s stuffing around with East Timor, which if it happens, will have to be very economically beneficial for East Timor and very expensive for Australia and will not be up and running for a long time.

Gillard is certainly on the right track compared to Rudd, but it would appear that Abbott is a clear front-runner at the moment, both in terms of majority support from the general community and in terms doing what has to be done – stopping the boats quickly and decisively.

Sure, some people will get caught in the middle. But the quicker the saga is brought to a close, the less people will be caught up in it in the longer term.

Then of course, Abbott should significantly boost our refugee intake and overseas aid, which won’t happen. But then it won’t happen under Gillard either.

Ludwig,
And you have not yet taken into consideration the 170 people that have drowned trying to get here since Labor put out the welcome mat.

So the sooner the boats are stopped the better. With all the half truths and stuffing around that is not likely to happen under labor.