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High above the Earth, satellites track melting ice : Comments

By Michael Lemonick, published 15/7/2010

The surest sign of a warming Earth is the steady melting of its ice zones, from disappearing sea ice to shrinking glaciers.

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The article does not do anything for the author's credibility on global warming. He opens with a string of warmist assertions, but fails to provide any substantiating evidence to support them.
Posted by Raycom, Thursday, 15 July 2010 11:12:06 AM
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The writer points out, quite rightly, that there is now some sort of continuous record of sea ice back to the early 70s, thanks to satellites. What he does not say is that the record is completely inadequate for working out whether recent trends in sea ice actually mean anything (as global warmists hope).. its known that the fabeled North West passage has been open before, so there have been other changes in the sea ice. What caused them? there are theories concerning winds and ocean currents which, of course, are all ignored in favour of the big one - it must be climate..
Posted by Curmudgeon, Thursday, 15 July 2010 11:56:57 AM
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Well said both of you.

BUT WAIT..."Gobal Warming" is not, has never been, and will never be...about 'Climate'.....it's about

-'redistribution of income/wealth'.
-3rd world equality.
-equitable development.
-Making certain 'climate' related businessmen and their networks.. VERY VERY RICH and equally VERY VERY powerful.

Maurice Strong.
Al Gore
Kathy Zoi
Robin Roy (Zoi's husband)
Dr Richard Sandor
David Blood
Smart meter manufacturers. (Landis and Gyr)
Lot's of Goldman Sachs former employees.

Dr Joel Rogers, the man behind a lot of the socialist thinking in the White House now, says that:

"Even if we shut down EVery power station, took EVery car off the road now.. ie...the ENTIRE power generation sector, the ENTIRE transportation sector and we still would not be anywhere near down to 60% of 1990 levels...and the economy would be at a complete halt"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bh3jWqiUw0

Never believe 'me'....always check :)

So.... we should ask these vested interest few.."Did you check the glaciers on the OTHER side of the mountains...you know..the ones which are GROWING"?

The polar ice caps say little about cyclical weather patterns.

After all..the Deserts used to be forest..
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Thursday, 15 July 2010 12:17:07 PM
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Good article.

Raycom, it is the epitome of hypocrisy that you accuse the author of something that you engage in yourself. Where in your post have you provided substantiating evidence to support your own assertion?

Rather than censure Michael Lemonick, perhaps you should substantiate why an increasing arsenal of satellites are all pointing to the same conclusions. Or do you, like the inimitable Boazy, think they are all returning false data to lend credence to some Bolshevik world-wide conspiracy?

Mark, it is obvious that no amount of scientific data will sway you to pull your head out of the sand, open your eyes, or remove the hands from your ears. By the by, my bookshop still hasnít got your book on the shelves.
Posted by qanda, Thursday, 15 July 2010 12:46:09 PM
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Since Anthony Watts predicted the recent change in melting rates for the Arctic more accurately than any other commentator, it would probably be useful for this author to visit his site:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/

He may even learn something.

Right now Antarctic ice extent is well above the long-term average and Arctic ice has risen above the 2007 minimum for this time of year. And, yes, it is melting -- but then it is summer up there, after all.

And next time someone wombles on in a scary voice about 'the melting of Greenland's ice sheet' ask them to do the math and tell you how many years it is going to take to melt the lot. You will find that the answer is measured in millennia.

But on the whole this is good news. The sooner we have long-term objective measurements, the sooner the AGW agenda will collapse in a steaming heap.
Posted by Jon J, Thursday, 15 July 2010 3:06:32 PM
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Wow, all this talk of ice and nary a mention of Antarctica. I wonder why? I seem to recall reading somewhere that there was some ice in Antarctica...:)

Perhaps its because the south isn't playing fair and refuses to do what the scientists say it should/would ie rather than melting its expanding.

And now real scientists (those looking at the real world not models) have found that "the data indicate that present reduced ice extent on the western Antarctic Peninsula is not unprecedented and is similar to that experienced during at least three periods in the last 5600 yr."
http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/38/7/635.abstract

Gee, it happened before we started burning fossil fuels? Maybe its natural and cyclical? Now wouldn't that put a crimp in the leftist agenda. Although the actual data and the truth seem to not matter too much these days.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 15 July 2010 3:23:10 PM
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