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By Mark S. Lawson, published 28/6/2010Plenty of people believe that carbon must be guilty of something. There is too much money at stake for there not to be!
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Posted by Bugsy, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 11:54:26 AM
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The climate mafia have taken a lot of leaves from the Tobacco Industry's book of dirty tricks. First they reversed the story so it was the sceptics who were claimed to be in denial of the science, not them. And then they portray themselves as the impoverished ones in the face of some imaginary onslaught from big money. The Tobacco Institute used this very line back in 1983, portraying themselves as the small business "battlers" at the mercy of the suposedly big, bad, overfunded, anti-smoking activists, ie, "the powerful anti-smoking lobby". If the public had taken just one look at our tatty, cockroach infested office at the Harare end of Pitt St, Sydney, and our $3,000 annual budget, they would have thought otherwise. After 30 years it is still a case of new spivs, same old slur.
Posted by Lance Boyle, Tuesday, 29 June 2010 1:05:09 PM
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Folks...I've been banging away at this for a while now..please get with the program :)
It doesn't matter how real or unreal 'Global Warming' is... from the point of view of a common sense approach to limit our damage to the planet. It's common sense that if we keep on pumping rubbish out there.. there will eventually be some impact. All I'm saying is that there are ways to address this withOUT being sucked into them Strong/Soros/Gore and ilk 'Brave New World' of them being the rich powerful fat cats who dictate to all of us... AVOID CARBON "TRADING" like the worst plague on earth. NO NO NO.. no carbon TRADING... there is a much simpler solution. Carbon TRADING is NOT the answer. NO....to carbon TRADING. Carbon TRADING just makes ME richer...and my other buddies. Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 7:06:46 AM
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I find we have a few enthusiastic posters here.
However, I would be cautious about way the climate change zealots behave, right down to them seeking out sceptical Huguenots and the denier Cathars for burning, through an modern day AGW Inquisition on public opinion. So, I feel, anyone who supports accepted democratic processes, would demand the Climate Change Lobby be excluded from public funding on the grounds of separation of church and state. Posted by Stern, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 8:18:25 AM
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More denialist drivel from someone who's written lots of it. Enough said.
Posted by Ken Fabos, Friday, 2 July 2010 11:09:28 AM
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Mark Lawson
Few PR offences have been so obvious and so despicable as your attack on the science of climate change and the combined efforts of the multi-national denialist camp has been a bagatel of disinformation - primarily financed by the energy industry, despite your blatant denial. The Atlas Economic Research Foundation (of which the IPA and the Centre for Independent Studies in Australia are members, according to my reputable sources) has supported more than 30 other foreign think tanks. The foundations are linked to ExxonMobil, the Koch family, and other conservative interests which have donated more than $1 million to Canada's Fraser Institute, which in turn supports a network of think tanks in 71 countries that promote "economic freedom.." Exxon, the Kochs, and other foundations tied to American oil money have also helped bankroll the British-based International Policy Network. In 2007, IPN created the Civil Society Coalition on Climate Change, a group of 59 "independent civil society organizations" from 40 countries, "as a response to the many biased and alarmist claims about human-induced climate change." The ‘usual suspects’ are the recipients of donations from ‘charity’ foundations like the Sarah Scaife Foundation which is financed by the Mellon industrial, oil, and banking fortune. The Carthage Foundation is part of the Scaife Family foundations and is chaired by Richard Mellon Scaife The Claude Lambe foundation is controlled by the Koch family who have a combined net worth of approximately $4 billion. And the money laundering continues - regularly through foundations that are laundering oil and coal money to make it difficult to trace to its sources. http://mediamattersaction.org/transparency/organization/Barbara_and_Barre_Seid_Foundation/grants http://mediamattersaction.org/transparency/organization/Exxon_Mobil_Corporation/connections http://mediamattersaction.org/transparency/organization/Lynde_and_Harry_Bradley_Foundation/grants Jay Lehr (Heartland Inst.), a convicted felon, was presented by the Brisbane Institute as an “internationally renowned” scientist but who is better known for spending three months in jail for defrauding the US Environmental Protection Authority. Oh what a web you weave.....! Are the contents of your book as fallacious as the propaganda in this article? Posted by Protagoras, Friday, 2 July 2010 2:06:36 PM
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There are plenty of other counterestablishment groups that claim to have the science on their side...
The Intelligent Design movement (lots of books there)
The anti-Vaccination squad (a few books there)
and the list goes on..
Some may prove correct, others...not.
One things for sure, I know one activity that doesn't make money and that's writing scientific papers.