Unique, you are looking at population/religion locally, I am
looking at it globally. But then our population hardly matters.
If every Australian died tomorrow, in 90 days of global breeding,
we'd all be replaced, as global population keep increasing
by around 80 million a year.

If every person on the planet had the choices that Australian
men and women do, there would not be a problem of increasing
population. That is not the case. Hundreds of millions of women
still don't have access to family planning, abortion is still
illegal in large chunks of the world. Organisations like the
Catholic Church, still fight tooth and nail against condoms,
the pill, a knot in the line, you name it.

In Australia religion has little obvious effect on Govt, not so
in most of the rest of the world.

Squeers, sure its not just about me. Fact is that its about some
people always wanting more, no matter which system is in place.
So its about human nature as such, blaming capitalism is the cop out
here.

Dear Yabby,
We're actually close to agreement. Absolutely, it's about human nature, about "self-interest" and the "profit motive", these are the driving forces behind capitalism and why it's so successful. If you're interested, I've started a similar discussion here: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3765&page=0

Obviously Yabby most things revert to human nature, however my point to you remains the same regarding Australia [locally] as you term it, in relation to population growth, religion [locally and westernised countries] and following religious protocol.

It is irrelevant as to whether or not the catholic church or any other religions are anti-condoms or the use of contraceptives. Many kids and young adults sleep around using all types of contraceptives condoms and withdrawal methods who are from catholic anglican presbyterian methodist baptist and other religious backgrounds. My point in the previous post was to make you aware that most kids from religious backgrounds do use contraceptives widely and religious teachings in fact causes more rebellion for these kids to sleep around and use contraceptives.

Guess its called 'human nature' Yabby.

I've hear it said that the only difference between a wage slave and a slave on the cotton-fields is that wage slaves have to feed and clothe themselves. They can move to a different field but will always remain slaves to the system.

Likewise we are all trapped in the cycle of consumption, whether we like it or not.

Built-in obsolescence guarantees that modern goods are designed to have a finite life and will inevitably need to be replaced.

*It is irrelevant as to whether or not the catholic church or any other religions are anti-condoms or the use of contraceptives.*

Unique, it might be irrelevant here in Aus, I have never claimed
anything else. But it is not irrelevant in those parts of the
world where women have no access to contraception and other family
planning options.

If you lived in the third world, with no money, no place which
sells family planning products, no place which tells you how to use
them, no place which provides abortions, short of keeping your
legs closed forever, you too might land up with a tribe of unwanted
kids, far more then you have ever planned for or desired.

Next time may I suggest Yabby you state third world countries [regardless of whether or not Missionaries and Aid Workers are educating and encouraging contraception methods in certain parts of Africa: a friend I know who has lived over there for 15 years as an Aid worker] has stated there is a significant improvement in certain regions re; overpopulation.

The one child China policy was implemented to discourage overpopulation and is working, in addition to many other countries seeing the light despite their religions. This is a point you and I will have to beg to differ on Yabby. Enjoy your week.