Celivia, agree, thankyou for sticking around!

Proxy- read the thread, it's already answered.
I'm not going to waste my time repeating what others are just too lazy to look for.

Dear AGIR,

Sure I understand. Proxy has set up a strawman and argued against it. Nobody has claimed that an embryo or foetus is non-human. Sperm is human. Human hair cells are human. However, sperm and hair cells are not individuals, and a foetus is neither a baby nor a child.

Proxy started his post "It is more than convenient that unborn children can be classified as non-human."

That is the strawman. A child is not a child until it is born and passed the baby stage. Yes, I fully understand the dishonest tactic of arguing with what nobody has said. Nobody claimed that an embryo or foetus was non-human. One could also call a child a born foetus. When a baby is born the foetus no longer exists.

I understand dishonesty and verbal trickery quite well. Possibly you have become so accustomed to lying language that you didn't even notice its use.

Do you see it now?

“This enables them to justify partial birth abortion and even infanticide. If you doubt this, you only have to look at President Obama's multiple blocks on the Born Alive Infant Protection Act when he was an Illinois Senator.”

Proxy - There appears to be no limit to the propaganda you perpetrate. Obama does not advocate infanticide!

As Obama and other opponents of the Born Alive Bill noted: The criminal code already and unequivocally mandates against the killing of infants or any other human for that matter.

Protagorus,
Get educated:
http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2008/01/top-10-reasons.html
or it's you that looks like a proper gander.

Proxy – Your pin-up girl, Stanek’s a bully and a nutter who advocates violence. Stanek ran for the Republican nomination for the Illinois House of Representatives in 2002, on a pro-life platform, and was defeated - a rare moment of commonsense for the GOP who also believe they were 'born to rule!'

Time for your reality check Proxy dear:

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2010/02/17/just-ignore-facts-maam-jill-stanek-write-ultra-right-outlets

So a person who advocates leaving living aborted babies to die doesn't advocate violence,
and a person who objects to leaving living aborted babies to die does advocate violence.
I'm glad you sorted that one out for us Protagorus.