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Class, privilege, ideology : Comments

By Sarah Burnside, published 18/6/2010

The 2010 election contest is likely to bring long-muted questions of class, privilege and ideology to the fore.

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earlier this year, Joe Hockey made a speech to the Grattan Institute in which he defined the Liberals as “the only political party … established to advance the cause of liberty”
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On 19 March 2010 I completed an electronic application to joint the Liberal Party and by its constitution I am a member. Being a CONSTITUTIONALIST I know what is or isn’t applicable, however the Liberal party on 4 June 2010 decided to defeat my application without any explanation as to why. It might have been perhaps that I exposed the Liberal Party’s constitution to contain legal nonsense but then again that is why I am a CONSTITUTIONALIST. So forget about advancing the cause of liberty as they the leaders of the Liberal party were missing in action in that regard, they can’t even run their own party as to their own constitutional requirements. And as to the SUPER TAX can they all just stop dazzling the electors with their nonsense and just accept that while the commonwealth has taxation powers any SUPER TAX is unconstitutional where it would not be a tax to the whole of the commonwealth. Isn’t this very simple? So Joe Hockey might just do better to learn about the constitution and what is or isn’t applicable. And so everyone else for that matter.
Posted by Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 3:59:35 PM
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What a sad and hermetic little worldview Shadow Minister: your logic and conceptual ability is breathtaking, to say the least.

Get out of the suit & office & talk with a few of those who have struggled to obtain "some employment", and the thousands still being discriminarted against and forced to subsist on the disability allowance. Ask them about their experiences with Centrelink when applying to receive a disability allowance.

" ... the payment levels for welfare in Aus are one of the highest in the world."

'Welfare' - with its negative connotation - is an American term adopted here sometime during the mid-last century. Prior to that such payments were referred to as 'Social Security'... for both the recipients AND the society which they are members of.

"This is made possible by the capitalist economic engine."

Permit me to try to enlighten you a little.

(Socio-ECONOMIC)'Class' describes a relationship between one or more groups in society... between the individuals/families with enormous wealth (FAR more than they would ever need throughout their lifetime), privilege & opportunities (life chances), and the sub-standard, subsistence payments doled out to several million of their fellow Australians. Such "benefits" were initiated - via the corporate State - with the concurrence of the Capitalist Class, after decades of long and bloody struggles by millions of impoverished and marginalised 'workers', widows, war veterans, injured workers, and those made 'redundant' and simply thrown on the scrapheap by their erstwhile employers....which, by the way, STILL happens today.

As the author of 'The Lucky Country' tried to elict, the notion of Australia being an egalitarian society is a myth, as is the notion that we are a 'democratic', Christian nation.... "ignoring hereditary class distinctions and tolerating minority views".

Christ gave unconditional love and hope to the poor, the disabled and the oppressed and drove the Jewish money lenders from the temple - for which he was murdered (under contract?) by the Roman military.

The Capitalist 'ethic' or "economic engine" as you so eloquently put is is - Beggar thy Neighbour!
Posted by Sowat, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 4:00:21 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,
you plainly do not have a clue.
Posted by Squeers, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 9:03:46 PM
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Dear Squeers,
The general concensus seems to be that the right is up themselves, the left keeps shifting the bench marks to gain the popular view, so I suppose that only leaves the narrow way which flesh and blood will never see. You must be born again to enter the third way. Only then do you receive the understanding that God is good and we all have missed the mark of Gods best for our life, which you will never find in any man made ideas, for every thing starts with God not man. He is the source and Jesus is the way, not Bob Menzies or John Curtin. Only when you get the revelation from the Holy Spirit can you say to Jesus "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." and Jesus will answer and say to you, "Blessed are you Squeers, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
Regards Richie 10
Posted by Richie 10, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 2:04:22 AM
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Sowat, Squeers, etc

Having a practical bent, I have always strived to understand both the physical world and human world.

I have degrees in Engineering, Economics and Business administration, and have worked (albeit for short periods) in Africa eastern Europe, the USA, and India.

My engineering discipline leads me to build my views of the world on facts and proven theorems.

The few remaining adherents to the Marxist (or purist socialist) creeds are like those clinging to creationist theories. They chose their views based on faith, or because it is a warm and fuzzy ideology.

The "Marxist think tanks" spend most of their time trying to justify why their ideology failed and why it was some one else's fault.

The purpose of government is to improve the conditions of its voters. To this end Marxism and socialism have proven again and again to fail miserably.

Having spent time in 3rd world and ex socialist countries, I have seen the misery of large numbers of people on a scale that makes Aus look like a paradise.

Any government cannot do everything for everyone. Without capitalism you cannot do anything for anyone.

So Squeers I do not have a clue as to what goes on between your ears, but I guess that unless you expand beyond your clique of self reinforcing ideologues that it will remain divorced from reality.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 8:11:33 AM
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