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Class, privilege, ideology : Comments

By Sarah Burnside, published 18/6/2010

The 2010 election contest is likely to bring long-muted questions of class, privilege and ideology to the fore.

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Squeers

"The master stroke of capitalism was to raise the living standards of the working class sufficient to keep them docile - the 'poor' these days are sufficiently enslaved to commodity fetishism"

Nasty capitalists making the poor so well off that they don't know that they are being oppressed.

Socialism made everyone equally poor. The old adage "by making the rich poorer, you seldom make the poor richer." is as true today as ever.

The class structure of the early 20th century does not exist, certainly not in Australia. Fortunately neither does the Tall Poppy syndrome to the same extent.

Wealth is created by the entrepreneurs and the professionals. When they are penalised for doing well, they tend to go elsewhere and improve the lives of the people there.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 20 June 2010 5:00:52 PM
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Dear Squeers,
Could you give us the benefit of your superior wisdom on the christian life. Don't be a spoil sport an keep it all to your self as I am always open to learn.
Posted by Richie 10, Sunday, 20 June 2010 6:29:38 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,
you are only parodying your own shallow thinking, not mine. I won't dignify any more of this "channelling of ideology", rather than thought, with responses.
Dear Richie 10,
I have made three substantial contributions to this thread, I'm not now going to research all the doctrinal inconsistencies that a Richie western life implies.
Surely the onus is now on you and Al to post something substantial, "OF YOUR OWN!"
Please spare me further snatches of your holy scripture.
Posted by Squeers, Monday, 21 June 2010 6:45:12 AM
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Squeers,

You have provided 3 posts with self contradictory and circular arguments.

Even from your posts it is clear that:
- as an economic engine capitalism kicks socialism's butt.
- Similarly the standard of living of the lower paid workers is far better under capitalism.

I assume your reluctance to post is to prevent further own goals.

The proletariat is less worried about ideological purity, and more about their back pockets.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 21 June 2010 10:14:19 AM
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Dear Squeers,
As you have said you do not understand christianity, I will give you the benefit of something I learned 30 years ago.
A fool is one who says in his heart there is no God. So the wisest thing you can do is not to confirm that word where everybody can see.
Regards Richie 10
Posted by Richie 10, Monday, 21 June 2010 12:25:58 PM
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the SHADOW MINISTER writes that "The class structure of the early 20th century does not exist, certainly not in Australia. (snip)

Try telling your fairy story to the several million marginalised Australian citizens forced to subsist on sub-standard, poverty-level fortnightly "benefits" doled out to them by 'executive' public servants ... er, sorry, 'Public MANAGERS" in receipt of salary packages that today run to several hundred thousands of $$$S per annum. Or compare their quality of life and life-chances with the billionaires and multi-millionaires (and their families!) listed in the BRW.

"Wealth is created by the entrepreneurs and the professionals. When they are penalised for doing well, they tend to go elsewhere and improve the lives of the people there."

True in relation to the last assertion. They 'let go' or 'downsize' (sack) their laborforce - often leaving them penniless, due to the sudden 'disappearance' of their wages, superannuation and other entitlements - and transfer their 'wealth creating' activities to so-called Special Economic Zones in supposedly 'Poor(Third World) Countries' controlled by extremely wealthy and corrupt families such as the Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia and India, or military-political cabals such as Pakistan, South Korea, Taiwan and China.

All of these faux 'democracies' are protected and sustained by ruthless military and para-military forces who are often armed and trained by dominant western 'economies' including the world's leading Christian 'democracies' of the UK and U$A.

As for wealth being created (solely) by "the entrepreneurs and the professionals", just witness the public outcry by the Western media, mining, airline and shipping etc. moguls (and their 'people's representatives' in our parliaments) whenever 'greedy workers' withdraw their labour!
Posted by Sowat, Monday, 21 June 2010 1:23:48 PM
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