Dear Proxy,

Thank you.

Aaaahl say it again.

The Burqa is a security issue for Australia, not a religious one.

It's an issue of LAW and democracy.

Just like a workplace can stipulate 'yes' or 'no' to certain types of apparel not being acceptable.

Just so a democracy can determine what is lawful in public places.

A full face covering has facilitated armed robberies and various bombings. That alone should convince the skeptic of the need to enforce facial exposure.

Arguing with those who see it otherwise is as futile as their own ideologically driven position :)

Soooo.. let's all head-em up..move-em out and get out there knocking on doors to expose the madness of such positions prior to the next election.

DID YOU KNOW...(this continues to amaze me) young people around 20 simply do NOT know what 'communism' is... they don't have the slightest clue.. I've found 1 in about 10 surveyed so far who does.

But I'll bet they know about the minor blip on humanities 'genocide' count "The Holocaust"
I say 'minor' only in relation to the Communist 'scorecard' which is many times multiplied over the 6 million or so Jews killed.

Holocaust 6million......Stalin/Mao/Pol pot 50million+

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PUBLIC RELATIONS

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Public relations defined as the interaction of an individual with his or her cultural and social environment is of vital importance to both the individual and society.

Tensions arise in the relationship for all sorts of reasons. What may be considered acceptable wearing apparel is just one of them.

In a relatively egalitarian society such as Australia which respects the basic freedoms of opinion, speech and religion, any tensions that may arise in the relationship are rarely attributable to actions by the State.

They are more often due to what society rightly or wrongly considers as deviant behaviour on the part of particular individuals or, in some instances, of groups of individuals.

The role of the State is, inter alia, to assure that the relatively egalitarian nature of our society is maintained and that the basic freedoms of opinion, speech and religion are respected.

If it were to become apparent that the wearing of the burqa or the niqab by certain individuals poses a greater threat to those values than the outlawing of them deprives such individuals of their basic freedoms, then the duty of the State would clearly be to outlaw such wearing apparel in public.

Naturally, what consenting adults do in private is of no concern of the State.

In the private domaine, the duty of the State is strictly limited to the protection of all individuals under the age of eighteen as well as that of non-consenting adults.

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CJ Morgan has again descended into assassinating the characters of those who don’t play by his rules. In a fit of petulance, he implies that I am an Islamophobe and an agent of deceit, however, by the age of four, I was proudly riding with the admirable and highly regarded Afghan cameleers in outback Australia which rather demolishes his attack on those he regards as his intellectual subordinates.

I recall a similar group of bleeding hearts who screeched ‘racist’ and tried to halt the talk about the emergence of Middle Eastern crime in Australia too.

These sycophantic hearts appeared to care more about not upsetting relations with its immigrant population than about protecting its own citizens - well until the weedy leader of one racially motivated gang was gaoled for 40 years but not until he and his brothers-in-sin had pack raped 50 un-Islamic ‘Aussie pigs.’

The idea that there is a single pure Islam followed by everyone and which is only responsible for good is ridiculous.

Citizen debate about, and objections to the wearing of the burqa in public are no more racially motivated than the debates on the fundamentalist Christians who want to stop teaching evolution in education, the school Principals who secreted hundreds of thousands of government educational funding to Pakistan, the Witnesses’ refusal of blood transfusions for their dying children or on polygamists who insist that it’s their God given right to marry multiple wives in the West.

Having explored more deeply into the issue of the burqa, I now question the need for a ban on burqas in Australia since religious leaders in Islamic states are also banning the wearing of face masks. Perhaps they've conducted a survey into just how many innocent Muslims have been slaughtered by the burqa-clad coward.

Surely these Islamic leaders are far more progressive than the snarling Australian citizen, desperate for a pat on the head and a handful of Goodos from fundamentalists seeking dominance in Western nations?

It could be interesting to have a national burka day, where every man, women and child wore the stupid, hideous, derogatory, obsessive ridden, woman down grading, revolting, chauvanistic, ugly and downright ridiculous rag.

The muslim women that say they choose to wear it for whatever reason are either brainwashed (a typical religous tact) or are trapped in the 'victim' syndrome - too scared to say otherwise. It is for this reason it should be banned.

No free thinking, independant and proud woman would ever choose to wear in public the above described rag = a mobile prison.
All the reasons for the banning are good one's IMHO, 99% of the reasons for the non banning are idealistic, downright silly and have no pity for these poor unfortunate women caught up in their archaic and quite sad beliefs.

The difference between the nuns, budhists etc garment and the burka are the reasons behind it, the symbol of the belief. It's this belief that is fundamentally flawed.

Protagoras: << In a fit of petulance, he implies that I am an Islamophobe and an agent of deceit >>

Oh come on, dickie. You shifted your argument for banning the burqa from the bogus grounds of communication problems for the deaf to linking women wearing the burqa in Australian with terrorists in Pakistan. That's classic Islamophobic vilification, and it's hardly "character assassination" to identify it for what it is. Not to mention the gratuitous link to "Middle Eastern crime".

I and others have presented cogent arguments as to how the issue can be dealt with via regulation and social pressure, rather than the draconian measures advocated by some fools who want to provide radical Islamic fundies with a political rallying point. You, on the other hand, seem to be chopping and changing your argument all over the place.

There's an interesting perspective on the issue from an Australian Muslim woman in today's "Punch", if you're open-minded enough to read it:

<< Feminists should back off the burqa bashing

by Sara Haghdoosti

If a woman walks down the street in a mini skirt and someone calls her a slut, feminists will be quick to object. However if a Muslim woman walks down in a burqa then many feminists are happy to concede that she is oppressed, submissive and brainwashed.

Unfortunately many feminists still believe that no Muslim woman could ever choose to wear the veil of her own free will.

As a Muslim feminist I find this infuriating, condescending and patronising. >>

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/feminists-should-back-off-the-burqa-bashing/