just remove the Union Jack - leave the 'Fed Star', center from top to bottom and slightly enlarge, plus the southern cross as is

Yes what is unique about the Oz and NZ is that they feature the emblem of another country on their flags. They thus also have the king/queen of another country as their titular and EFFECTIVE head of state (although nostalgic monarchists would like to pretend other wise).

That country, namely England, has no inherent interest in the welfare of the Australian people. Indeed it never REALLY did.

We along with all of the other former British colonies were/are members of the STOLEN-wealth of nations. Most of the wealth used to go back to "mother" England.

We somehow thus pretend that we a mature independent country..

Ho Hum or Dum Dum what ever your name is.. you truely write utter rot !

"Yes what is unique about the Oz and NZ is that they feature the emblem of another country on their flags"

Look up " unique" in a dictionary sometime.

Next look up the Internet to actually see how many other Countries AND States carry the Union Jack. Don't forget that American State ... Hawaii !

As for "That country, namely England, has no inherent interest in the welfare of the Australian people. Indeed it never REALLY did "

Am I missing something here ,Sunshine ? Except that the Flag of England is the Cross of Saint George ,the Union Jack being that of The United Kingdom.. Small point I know , but Drivel just muddies it all up, doesn't it?

Next , "We along with all of the other former British colonies were/are members of the STOLEN-wealth of nations. Most of the wealth used to go back to "mother" England."..

Reread you History again, though I suspect that we are being quoted Old Wives Tales. I am assuming , of course,that you actually HAVE read your History, but got confused by the big words.

Finally, "We somehow thus pretend that we a mature independent country.."

I agree with you..with people writing Rubbish like yours , there is no way that we can be described as an mature independent country!!

To think that I have wasted 10 minutes of my life reading your diatribe AND resonding to it.. I shall now do something more rewarding , by going outside and watching the Grass growing

Sounds like you want a gene-ectomy, Ho Hum. Unless you're an indigenous Australian (and even they came from Africa) you are a migrant with a cultural history. What flags have your forebears fought for? How would your coat of arms look if all your ancestors had earned a title? You can't just deny history because you don't like the politics. Or because you belong to an adolescent society that is still rebelling against its parent. That's immature. When we all grow up we'll have one flag for earthlings -- and let's hope space travel brings that time soon because back in July 1969, despite the moon landing's being a giant leap for mankind, there was nothing more disappointing to me than that boastful US flag.

As Barry Cohen suggests, changing the flag brings out extreme arguments (both ways), but in large part this is because the options proposed tend to be presented as a choice between extremes.

To remove the Union Jack altogether would be unpopular with many and historically provocative. However the fact remains that it is still the flag of another nation, and for contemporary Australia reflects another era.

Of relevance is the fact that the Union Jack is itself the child of history, a flag created from several others to reflect a shift in political reality. In a similar fashion, we could "deconstruct" the Union Jack to (say) three vertical stipes on the left hand side of the existing blue ensign, thus reflecting both our past and our present.

I've come to the conclusion that any serious discussion of a new flag is a waste of time until Australia becomes a truly independent nation-state. If and when we reach that enlightened moment, a new and unique flag will undoubtedly seem appropriate to those who have supported independence.

Until then, these discussions about a new flag will always descend into wankery, from both sides.

"I've come to the conclusion that any serious discussion of a new flag is a waste of time until Australia becomes a truly independent nation-state.....
Until then, these discussions about a new flag will always descend into wankery, from both sides"
I agree wholeheartedly, C. J., no discussion of a new flag until we become a a truly independent nation-state. With CJ as King/President and no wankery there.

It seems you are quite right CJ- what amazes me though is how the flag debate ignites such bizarre passions, and also how totally staunchly opposed to change so many people are, seemingly out of a kneejerk reaction.

For me, the flag is like the republic in another way- show me a good design and I'll vote for it, otherwise I'll smack it down every single time till the idiots get it right.

Indeed, Hazza. I think that blairbar exemplified my point very well with his puerile response.

What about replacing the Union Jack with the Aboriginal Flag ? It would be instantly recognisable anywhere as the most beautiful flag in the world.

Joe Lane

What's wrong with adopting a simple white flag? Then nobody would have anything to complain about....no Union flag, no Aboriginal or Torres St. Islander flag, no kangaroo, no Southern Cross.