Always amusing, Dan S de Merengue. But this is classic, in its way.

>>With over 200 posts and counting here, are we ready to admit that Zimmerman was wrong and ID is not dead?<<

ID has never actually been alive.

I'm with davidf on this.

Simply talking about something doesn't provide the slightest evidence for its existence in the real world. Merely in the imagination of those who choose to believe in it.

cf. Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus. Millions of kiddies believe in these creations for a while. Does that provide evidence of their existence in real life?

A four year-old will swear on a stack of bibles that Santa exists, offering as proof the facts that i) he himself sat on Santa's knee, and recited a list of the presents he wanted, ii) Santa told him to be a good boy and iii) on Christmas morning, the exact presents he asked for were there, under the tree.

(As a by-product, it provided proof that, contrary to his parents' often-expressed opinion, he had actually been "a good boy". This only lasted a day, though.)

We as adults recognize the fault-line in his reasoning. His perceptions have been deliberately manipulated, to the point where he is allowed to see only the facts that support the existence of Santa.

ID proponents perform precisely the same trick upon themselves. Which is why Dan S de Merengue allows himself, against all logic, to confuse the discussion of a fantasy, with the fantasy itself.

>>With over 200 posts and counting here, are we ready to admit that Zimmerman was wrong and ID is not dead?<<

That rather neatly sums up the strength of your entire argument, does it not Dan S de Merengue?.

AJ is such a laugh. He writes

'I’ve asked creationists for evidence many times and I knock down every bit of ‘evidence’ they give in an instant. Heck, Dan S de Merengue eventually stopped giving me “evidence” because he grew tired of me debunking everything he said. '

First he claims they have no evidence and now he says that he knocks down what they have not got.

He can't answer the origins question and yet he thinks he is omniscience. I think you are mixing yourself up with your Creator.

Hello runner,

Thank you for your clarification and attending comments. Appreciate your participation my little poll.

Dear Trav,

Thanks, also. I had gained the impression, the wrong impression, from other threads, you believe in the literal Bible.

Religions are a sociological phenomena which have/do serve a purpose. While pointing to a god, say, Quetzalcoatl or Elohim or Amon-Re, is not possible to science, anthropologists can put religions on a table and examine them as might historians recreate a battle. Science cannot disprove the existence of the Easter Bunny living in the Sixth Dimension, beyond the reach of our very best instrumentation. Science, however, can study Bunny folk lore and spatial dimensionality and make directed conclusions.

Many religionists would hold their belief in ID infallible: That is “faith”. On the other hand, contemporary cosmologists have tentative “trust” in the BB, based on evidence now known. Science closes “gaps” in knowledge that were once claimed by the religions.x
“Why should we take Genesis above others? Its philosophical statements make more sense and/or are corroborated by evidence: The human condition, one God, and beginning to the Universe being three of the main statements.” - Travx

Genesis is not alone in attempting address philosophical and practical matters. Many scriptures, stories and dream times do. Incidentally, the Hebrew of the time Genesis was written were henotheists not monotheists. Genesis stories were updated around the time Christ to correct errors, but are not included in “our” version of the OT.

Book chapters on the Philosophy of Religion, typically deal with the existence and character and level of interventionism of gods, before tackling any particular religion

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Pericles

I dunno..... you just provided some very substantial evidence for Santa - list of presents delivered, actually sitting on Santa's knee. Far more evidence than anything the IDers have managed. Gonna have to rethink my belief system - maybe if I'm a very good girl all year, I'll get that 1969 Mustang with the Boss engine. All I have to do is believe...

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Hamlet subsisted. We can be almost ceratin Shakespeare lived/existed. Many would claim his physical bones can be found buried in the Holy Trinity Church, Stratford-on-Avon, Warwickshire, England. On the other hand, what would you say about who claimed the following stament to be divine made by a "real" spirit?

"I am thy father's spirit, Doom'd for a certain term to walk the night, And for the day confined to fast in fires, Till the foul crimes done in my days of nature. Are burnt and purged away. - Hamlet Act1 Scene 5.

What would say of a cult who took the Hamlet quote as scripture?

What if Hamlet's dad, spoke of the creation of the Man or, Shakespeare (read any man/women) wrote his own Genesis.

david...[there is no evidence of the toothfairy]...i will refute your proposition...and assosiation/of simuLIE..with thwe greatror..for whom plenty of evidence egsists

first the tooth-fairy.....think/why..kids believe this...in the main..because their most trust-WORTHY..source of info..LIED TO THEM

in fact provided the evidence...[ie put it under your pillow...and LO BEHOLD>.the god/like parentals...confirmed..the falicy...as true

mainly by them ACTING...as agent/
intermediatory..of the said truth-fairy..
ooops sorry tooth/fairie

in other words..to those DECIEVED..into believing A LIE..have the evidence/a coin..as well as the ongoing...ASSURANCES..of their decieving parentals...

a per-cent-age..of who..are scienc-tists...
selling the same/evolving...toothfairie...under the lie/deception/partial/truth..of evolution OF GENUS

so the decieved have been tricked..into believing..AUTHORITIVE LIES..simply by the more clever/decievers...knowing which boxes...the decieved..will accept as truth../'true'.

its not rocket science...those who decieve..
REALLY believe..they are more clever than those they DECIEVE..
its basic human/nature

sure asre clever arnt they..
those who decieve by simuLIE...and ridicules

but al;so see this..there are more kids..believibng this grand deception...they are taught the 'science..of evil-lution'...at a young age..

but some see through the lies in time..then begin to question ..EVERYTHING..thats where many of us are now

AS for proof of god..its all arround us
but we are blinded into not seeing..life/logic/light/love/truth/mercy..grace...all signs of god

learn to live with it
see the light son-shine