#John Ryan

When I use the terms Greater Israel and Greater Jordan I mean the states of Israel and Jordan after sovereignty in the West Bank has been divided between them and the new international boundary is drawn between Jordan and Israel.

You froth at the mouth but offer no alternative solution to freeing the Arab population of the West Bank from Israeli control by allowing them to once again become Jordanian citizens as existed between 1948-1967.

Put up or shut up. Your rant does nothing to end the conflict.

#Examinator

Israel's claim to the land is based on the Mandate for Palestine and article 80 of the UN Charter. It is a legal claim. It is supported by eminent jurists. It is not an irrelevant argument.

You are entitled to believe in the law of the jungle. I don't happen to agree.

Just 0.001% of the disbanded Ottoman Empire was set aside for Jewish self-determination. The rest - (99.999%)- was set aside for Arab self-determination. This carve up has proved too much for the Arabs (and apparently you) to still accept.

Nevertheless - Israel has tried for 17 years to create a new Arab state between Israel and Jordan in 90% or more of the West Bank and Gaza but these offers in 2000 and 2008 have been rejected. Israel is not going to commit political suicide and return to the territorial lines existing in 1967. Resolution 242 makes that clear. Again I suppose you will ignore that bit of international law too - as have the Arabs.

The two state option has failed. Jordan's re-entry to the West Bank remains the only solution in my opinion to free the West Bank Arabs from Israeli control

#stevenlmeyer

Rather than leave it to readers to decide whether Abdullah's actual words support my case - why don't you have the courage of your convictions and tell us precisely where you believe I may have got it wrong?

Why make that sly innuendo? It does you no credit. I thought you were better than descending to that level.

Abdullah in the article is wringing his hands and talking of war. Hasn't he got an obligation to try and stop it - not by telling Israel or Obama what they should do - rather by himself doing what he can do.

Picking up the phone and saying to Netanyahu - "let's sit down and see if we can come to some agreement where you free the Arab population of the West Bank from your control to mine which hopefully will avert another war" - does not seem that difficult for Abdullah to do.

Nothing else is happening - other than recrimination and counter recrimination. Abdullah is the circuit breaker.

# Examinator

I am not trying to manipulate anyone. If I did you (and some of your fellow responders) would be living proof of my total inability to succeed. Frankly I would not waste my time trying to do so.

I am trying in a calm and dispassionate manner to present to readers the facts and the legalities relating to the conflict (which no one seems to dispute apart from generalised attacks on myself) and to present an alternative to the failed two state option that has well and truly passed its use by date.

The current status quo is indeed undesirable.

If you and other respondents were to put forward alternative concrete and well argued proposals to change that status quo - instead of writing the trivial and pathetic posts you do - maybe steps to changing that status quo could emerge.

In the absence of any alternative solutions you may propose - I still happen to believe that the status quo is only capable of being changed if Jordan and Israel divide sovereignty of the West Bank between them.

The problem is Dave there never was a state of Israel

#John Ryan

You again make a general claim without any evidence to support it.

Try reading some history over the Anzac weekend.

Perhaps you can start with:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Kings.html

David,
Thank you for your explanation but rhetoric aside I am no naive enough to believe the basis of this conflict is the non application of 1947 ruling?
The problem began a *long* time before that and subsequent history would attest to the reality that your proposed solution is irrelevant.

Who is right and wrong is no longer the issue. The issue today is more about equity (justice) for the PALESTINIANS. Israel has got it's nation such as it is now it's time for the Palestinians to get a viable nation.
IMO The UN would solve a lot of issues by being brought in to move the Jewish settlement back behind a line that enables the viability of Palestine and enforce the proxy war to cease.

However, I am also not naive enough to believe that this can happen with out *massive* effort by *all* parties involved.
As it stands today there isn't enough motivation to make the commitment by *any* of the players. In the mean time the Palestinians are the meat in the sandwich.

It is not a mystery nor should it be why the Palestinians are emotionally swayed by the Arabic protagonists. The British, French, USA culpability and the Zionist myopic opportunism are all palpable and *in hind site* contemptible.

From the point of a resolution to the issue your groups contribution serve one purpose that of Israel's hegemony. Either way it has no real point in Australia other than adding to the background noise intending to favour Israel's interests. Again, no sale

Yes of course Dave I can make things up as well,the earth is, what is it 5897 yrs old, the Bible which is what you and your settler mates are basing your claims on is a folk tale, funny how no one can find any trace of anything that went on in it,just ifs buts and maybes.
Your an apologist for the Israeli Govt and the Settler movement,you have been pushing this BS on here for a long while,your main allies are the Mad US religious right who make very nice TV docos about JC and the old Testament complete with ham acting,Their main concern is Israel stays so Armageddon can take place on a constantly moving date.
You should get a job as a propaganda writer for the Israeli Govt,O hang on you do that already