Oliver,
Thanks again for the feedback making me formulate my thoughts more carefully. I agree with most of what you wrote.

The Bank and its managment differ from the Church and its Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) not only in size - hence the much slower progress - but also in the fact that the former does not have an extended, internal meaning of the term “crime”, whereas CDF does: For instance, the already discussed here Crimen Sollicitations refers to a number of “crimes” that are not recognised as such by most secular legal systems.

Therefore, although crimes recognised by the secular system should be investigated in cooperation with those authorities, there is a part of the Church’s internal legal investigations that are of no concern to them. (The same about reasons why a priest is “defrocked” or “laicised” - not the same thing). In any case, the investigated (by whomever) pedophile should immediately be isolated from further contacts with minors (and in the past too often this did not happen), although this can also be overdone, see e.g. http://ncronline.org/news/accountability/accused-catholic-priests-left-legal-limbo.

>>The BBC programme refers to seven priests from the US. Relatedly, the Phoenix DA said the paperwork under summons was transferred to clerics with immunity. <<
This is interesting. If it is not too much to ask, could you provide a link where it is explained what the “seven priests from the US” and “paperwork … transferred to clerics with immunity” is all about? As already mentioned, you are obviously more familiar with the US “branch” of the scandal, whereas I, living in Germany, am more familiar with the one here.

>> the more respected members of the Fourth Estate … NY Times, not just the tabloids.<<
Well, it was the NY Times that came with the poorly researched but sensationalist article (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/world/europe/25vatican.html?scp=1&sq=Goodstein&st=cse) about the Milwaukee case. The actual facts about the case are summarized e.g. in http://www.ncregister.com/blog/cardinal/.

Thanks,George. I will reply in a few days. Work commitments. Regards, Oliver.

TTM,x

Many hanks for your comments :-).

Each new born is an original genome having approximately a 50:50 genetic relationship with the paternal genome and maternal genome. Random non sex mixing changes also occur between generations owing to mutations. Herein, the new born converges on his/her parents genetic make-up, yet diversifies to encounter the environment. The new born’s behaviour will be a product of the environment (Skinner). The Culture into which the new born arrives is a product of ecology (Triandis).

Thus, genetics diversifies the new born who encounters the environment. Diversification can add or hinder survival. From the frame of reference of the individual new born, the environment is encountered is a bag of tricks, but unlike our friend Felix, there number of tricks are limited. The tricks must be apt to the encounter. If the new born is a fish, being a very well adapted for life in water is of little use in a desert.

From the perspective of evolution, the existence of the new born represents the legacy of preceding successes: i.e., genetic success and ecological success of an inter-generational nature. The newly evolved, new born adds its diversity the greater admixture of the environment, yet, its survival, contribution to or divestment of other entities, and, its fusion with other genomes to the produce next generation of new born, are, at first, only potentialities.

Do you have any comment on the Church abuse topic?

Please excuse brevity and first draft response. Busy.

your overall is cute but not precise (skinner) lol.

Many hanks for your comments :-). I don't know whether to leave it at that. smile. The last and final focus is the Z. I'm sure your acquaint with the 26 letters of the alphabet, making a cup of tea. The answers to the question of pedophilic priests I have already given in my last post, and I quote "No man or woman is above the law". On the question of each new born persons evolution does add one more degree as in they are committing suicide in numbers and this makes the point of evolution adding one more degree. The subject mind correlates with all subject matter and on the instants of new born, the mentors have an absolution with all that is concerned.

New people are killing themselves simply because the Z is not being understood and you 19th relish in the disposal of a planet that needs you. (brain food) It's interesting to note that all aspects of any opinion site correlates with the overwhelming problems that each and all of us face. Now the Z again correlates with all religions and the symbols to the facts agreed with all human history.

It's always interesting to look from outside the box and like so many people think the sky's going to fall, again I can only smile and lol.

The reason why I pulled up this post, cause i believe people know right from wrong and If I have to follow these natural born birth-right thoughts, than so should you, priest or not.

TTM

Hi George,

Thank you for your comments and interesting links, which I visited. Herein, I think a key issue to be addressed is journalists and commentators two camps regarding legal powers. The secular press see the Church must yield to secular law, full stop. A secular judge and jury sorts things out. The secularists see the crimes and (in their view) obstructions and delays. They don’t care about Canon Law.

On the other hand, those whom feel the Church and Pope are under unfair siege, appear to hold that the Church too has a process; that is, the legal system is pluralist and Canon Law has its place. Herein, it not so much “heaven can wait”, rather secular authorities can wait until the Church has conducted its slow, internal investigation. The Church does care about Canon Law, of course, and, historically has given In-house issues precedence over secular courts. Recall, when a priest is liaised, the Church holds the priest is “reduced”. I think that suggests an attitude of the clergy being higher in rank than the laity, which apparently was not the case before 250 CE. Again, I return to the Gibbon (1776) quote presented a few weeks back.

The comments from the Pheonix DA and about the “seven priests” are made between 32 minutes and 38 minutes during the BBC video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3335354490744010763#

In Oz press (SMH), it was reported that the diocese of Augsburg alerted German legal authorities of the alleged activities of Bishop Mixa. Allegedly, sexual abuse and beating orphans. Good. A jury can determine the Bishop’s guilt or innocence, and, then, and, only then, can Church policies (Canon Law) be addressed.

TTM,

Z is not as terminal as is Omega on the Planet of the Apes.

"No man or woman is above the law." - TTM

Can you please elaborate in context with this thread

Hi Oliver,
>>The secular press see the Church must yield to secular law, full stop. <<
I do not think US Church representatives deny this, whatever the (alleged) failed implementation in praxis.

>> The secularists see the crimes and (in their view) obstructions and delays.<<
That “in their view” is the whole point: if they suspect “obstructions and delays” (or other illegal activities) in concrete cases, they should provide properly researched details, as they often do, but they often don't: they either offer details based on their interpretation of facts, rather than the facts themselves (e.g. NYT on the Milwaukee case I linked to before), or even worse, they make sweeping allegations without referring to concrete cases and/or the frequency of such.

There is a third possiblity, exemplified by the video the link to which you provided: obviously biased but such that one could hardly interpret the interviews in a way that would leave the Church’s many local representatives unscathed. I watched it in its entire lengths, and as horrible as it is, I am thankful to you for making me aware of it. I only missed a more concrete reference to the priests charged with pedophilia by US authorities that the Vatican refuses to hand out. There are many non-sequiturs in the commentary (especially with their frequent reference to the pope) that are obviously dictated by an a priori bias, but the truths that the video nevertheless reveals makes it somehow indecent to forcefully point them out.

>>They don’t care about Canon Law. <<
That should be obvious but then they should refrain from drawing conclusions from their interpretation of e.g. Crimen Solicitationis or when a priest should or should not be defrocked or laicised.

The SMH report about ex-Bishop Mixa is more or less correct, except that Germany's Catholic Church is not “in turmoil” but rather relieved that the pope accepted the resignation of this ultra-conservative (and embarassing to Church by his occassional public statements) bishop. The preliminary investigations of sexual misconduct are only recent, and nothing has yet been established.