Well said. As a poly-ethnic society, at least in the cities where 90% of the population lives, we should see more diversity in the casting of mainstream Australian television programs.

Now, I'm pretty sure that this article will be attacked by the usual hideous coterie of mono-culturalists. But funnily enough, even from its very inception Anglo-Saxon culture has been multicultural - being a union of Frisians, Angles and Saxons. There's no reason why we can't continue to integrate and evolve. If we're doing it in real life why can't we do this in the mainstream media?

Yes I agree with David on all counts. The ABC has had a handful of multicultural presenters but predominantly SBS (as would be expected) is the only channel to offer a multi-cultural face.

(I would not include the 'blackface' comedy stint as an example of one such time coloured skin is presented in the media. Parodies like this are just that - it was a parody of The Jackson Five. Liken it to big blonde hair wigs and big white teeth for the Bee Gees or similar.)

Governments can do little because the media is privately owned for the most part, but it does not appear to be doing much to encourage a more multicultural presence.

However, I think as time marches on, this situation will inevitably improve. We have already seen some change in the more lifestyle oriented/cooking shows which I am sure will flow onto serious news media into the future.

That is why it is positive step to bring these issues into the open for public discussion and air them from time to time to assist this 'flow' along its way.

Okay, I'll be the evil monoculturist as one poster puts it. I am that guy down the back of the room that points to inconvenient facts. The problem with the reasoning in the article is that the programs which show more "visibly different" people come from societies where there are many more visibly different people. In America blacks make up a much larger proportion of the population than most of the ethnic minorities here put together. Race relations is a whole different ballgame over there. As for most Australians being from a non-anglo background, how can the writer reliably tell the differnce between a second generation Italian or Greek (the big ethnic categories)and Anglo? The only ones you can reliably tell apart are Asians and Indians (the only ethnic categories that really account for much and even Indians aren't all that significant - yet).
The writer also has the fantasy, common to academics, that the media is some sort of social weapon to be wielded for the good of all. It isn't. It has to pay attention to what the readers want, and even then it is steadily losing readers because, among other reasons, there are so many more things people can do with their lesiure time. The people who produce Home and Away go to a lot of trouble to understand their audience, and do not put Asian and Indian faces in because ther is no demand for them. If there was, then they would put them in.

Yesterday morning on the ABC show Insiders, three cab drivers were interviewed in a Melbourne pub (after their shift, I hope)on their opinions about population growth in Australia. They were all "white" like me (actually, more of a pinky-beige, maybe I should go for the matching Dulux paint chip and offer a more precise name). One seemed to me to speak with a non-Melbournian "accent".

I wondered at the time whether these three gentlemen were proportionately representative of the multicultural spectrum of our Australian taxi industry owners and employees.

At least one of the taxi drivers on Insiders bothered to wonder how the Indigenous population of this country might feel about increased migration.

Curmudgeon hits the nail on the head. The old law of supply and demand applies. Media is about SELLING - news, entertainment, advertising etc and no business will deliberately alienate its core clientele. Various sections of the media have tried going against the flow and have quickly reverted to retain their market. This is essentially an area of evolution not revolution.

Also 'multiculturalism' is about the right of people who have chosen to come to this country and been accepted as permanent residents, to practice those aspects of their Homeland culture which are both LEGAL and CULTURALLY ACCEPTABLE in Australia.

Those of us who are Australians by birth, especially by several generations (from migratory forebears who faced the same barriers of language/race/religion/culture as latter-day new-comers, but in far harsher and less tolerant environments) realise that we enjoy one of the most prosperous, free and egalitarian societies in the world. Do we want to keep it that way? Hell YES! How do we do so? By making sure that our foreign born brethren understand they must embrace Australian Law and Australian values and be part of wider Society as well as their Old Country values.

One way of 'introducing' different cultural outlooks is through humour - something the vast majority of Aussies understand and enjoy. However I suspect the PC Do-gooders consider shows like 'The Kumars at No 42' racist caricatures? Ditto characters like 'King Billy Cokebottle' who delivers jokes from a fake aboriginal persona - ATSIC want to ban him but all the cuzzins I know think he's hilarious. Put him on TV and you would be overwhelmed by complaints from the sensitive PC (white) brigade. Race speaks for itself when the difference is obvious but when we perceive individuals as people with similar wants, needs, emotions, ambitions who show a respect and love for this Country then the barriers are dissolved.

Well, I suppose if news is entertainment, what does it matter if you've got white, green or pink faces on the box? News hasn't been 'news' for 20 years. It's almost all entertainment. TV News is simply the serious side of the entertainment business who's prime function is to hold the 6.00 pm audience as long as possible.

It's true that people may be effected by media content, but how do we know? We stopped studying cognitive psychology and media analysis when cultural studies replaced it in the curriculum.

Darn that's cynical of me but I've written enough freelance feature articles to have about 50 percent of them knocked back (which is OK) only to find a small percentage of the knock backs reappear almost verbatim as background or under someone else's byline. Ouch.

Thanks for letting me get that off my chest.

The so called daily media regard and treat the ethnic media with considerable disdain. Put that aside for now. The daily media, print and electronic, are in the main white anglo saxon protestant celtic, and ethnic Australians rarely do well with these organisations. Some indeed are even targeted with a view to their professional demise. But let's also put that aside for now.
Then we have the local media, some of which is very good but a good deal of which leaves much to be desired. Certainly their support of ethnic communities can be amongst the lowest of the low, even worse than the daily media in certain cases. But again, let's not waste time proving how correct this statement is, for now.
We could then turn our heads to the appointments made by governments of both major political flavour to the Courts, to tribunals, to the RBA and Telstra Boards, to hospital and university boards... in fact to a very broad variety of such important bodies. yet the number of ethnic Australians who are so appointed could be counted with single digits in so many cases, if the number is even that high.
But of course it is not as if the ethnic populations of Australia include people who have run companies, who have several degrees, who have experience in pioneering roles... Right?
So my question to readers becomes a simple one. How do we fix this pathetic state of affairs?

Take a look at most of the hospitals, the universities and a lot of people who work in accountancy and commerce generally. You'll find that the ethnic minorities are actually very well represented.

Ange,
In Qld it's compulsory to have an 8 % indigenous component in the public sector work force. Merit is of no consequence, the same as for caucasians.

woo hoo!! public service jobs ... that'll make up for 200 years of dispossession.

David Jennings,
Put your money where your mouth is and employ some indigenous.

I have.

As usual, individual misses the point in his eagerness to push his anti-Indigenous agenda. If he'd actually read the article, he'd see that it is about the under-representation of ethnic minorities in Australian media, not about his favourite racist hobbyhorse.

CJ Morgan,
Are you just totally blinded by your anti anyone non-indigenous racist attitude or are you one of those no matter what someone says you have to call them racist. You have racism in your subconscience & all you can think of is racism. It's become quite clear if there weren't any racism you'd be totally at a loss.
I have asked you before but you aren't capable of an answer based on integrity. FYI, integrity is a state of mind alien to you. you'd have to be one of the most unproductive posters because all you can think of is racism. you really should seek help.
As for the article of under representation you obviously don't watch indigenous TV or Radio. Move out from your suburb & you'll find indigenous content is well represented in country areas. Just because in southern cities indigenous content is less doesn't at all mean that it is under represented. Hop on you cycle & go out to the real world of indigenous land. Tell us here on OLO how many indigenous communities have had funding applications for media facilities rejected. How many Bracs units can you name ?

You still haven't read the article, have you individual? Guess what - it isn't about Indigenous media, but about mainstream media in which ethnic minorities are under-represented or caricatured.

You seem even less coherent than usual this evening. Have you had a couple of stubbies too many or something?

P.S. I live in the bush, not the suburbs.

The assertion that 50% of Australians are non Caucasian is a bald faced LIE, it's more like 5% not including Indigenous people.
Does everyone see what criminals these Left wing so called "Scientists" are?
We spent decades integrating and eventually assimilating European migrants and their kids into Anglo Celtic society, by the 1980's we had a country to be really proud of in that regard.
Now people like the author want to split us up ,divide us again along the "Wogs vs Aussies" line, it's disgusting.
We are NOT a multicultural country, not by a long shot and we are decades if not centuries away from being able to accept such a reality.
Multiculturalism is phase of social evolution that REAL people who REALLY know what they're talking about put two to three steps ahead of contemporary societies, it's a futuristic dream.
Pluralism too is a dream many stages of social evolution beyond where we are now, believe me, I'm an activist, it's hard enough to pin people down to one point of view let alone to see others.

"The assertion that 50% of Australians are non Caucasian is a bald faced LIE"

So why are you saying it? Its not written in the article and nobody has said it in the comments.

"Does everyone see what criminals these Left wing so called "Scientists" are?"

No.

"We are NOT a multicultural country, not by a long shot and we are decades if not centuries away from being able to accept such a reality."

Well if you go for a walk around Melbourne or Sydney you'll see that we are a multi-racial and multicultural country. But its clear that you are centuries away from accepting that.

Gee, I think that talking about multiculturalism is a bit like talking about the "forbidden zone". The monoculturalists don't want us to enter the "forbidden zone" just in case we see how good it would be to live in a vibrant, tolerant, polyethnic society

Andrew, there’s lots of “stuff” in this article however; there is no sense of proportionality or reference points.

What was the percentage of ethnic media representation in 1990 as it relates to actual ethnic populations? What are the changes in representation today? What changes have occurred by media type during the period of 20 years? What are the geographic variances? With all those years of research you must have something to present rather than just an opinion?

As one of the “full range” of Australian’s with “crass and simplistic views” of cultural issues, perhaps you could assist by providing something a little more informative and fact based? Otherwise you may be seen as perpetuating the problems you ascribe to the media.

Jay: << believe me, I'm an activist >>

No kidding?

David J - LOL at the "forbidden zone".

Closer to the topic, Mr. Author: what are employment opportunities for high qualified Jews at so-called “mainstream market” in English-oriented UK semi-colony?

That is an answer to all your minding.

I'm not sure that the mere existence of people from many different societies is an indication of a single, multicultural society - too often, people don't really interact, but seem to exist in parallel universes. They may walk past each other as if oblivious of each other's presence, or sit at adjacent uni cafeteria tables, but not acknowledge each other, sort of look through each other.

But this could be primarily a phenomenon of first-generation migration or new generations of students - i.e. the first time that Anglos experience these 'foreigners' [and we shouldn't forget that many migrant groups may be experiencing 'other' people for the first time themslves, i.e. for them too, it may be the first time that THEY have to 'think multiculturally', and it may come as a shock to find themselves to be in a minority] - but my impression (requiring rigorous investigation and testing) is that interaction is occurring much more than even ten years ago and that, for example, Sudanese-Australian interaction with other Australians may be occurring much more rapidly than it would have in the past, say, between 1950s-1960s Greek-Australians and other Australians. There seems also to be much more friendly relations between 'old' Australian students and overseas students than ten or twenty years ago.

Of course, one measure of a multi-cultural society is the degree of inter-marriage, including that between non-Anglos. This seems to involve second- rather than first-generation migrants, but the temporal gap seems to be shortening. Maybe I am more aware of it now than forty years ago, and therefore 'observe' it to occur more often.

But perhaps an obviously related phenomenon is the increase in the number and proportion of multicultural families, children with multicultural identities. Perhaps it's just another perception, but multicultural children seem to be far more comfortable interacting and socialising with other non-Anglo children, and other multicultural children, so there is hope for us all yet.

Joe

Well I do beg everyone's pardon, I did misread the line about "half the population is less than two generations deep, MANY from non Caucasian backgrounds", I'm so used to reading misleading and twisted statistics from the Left that I sometimes draw the wrong conclusion
Yet I'm not the only one on this site who reads subtexts that aren't there.
My further comments stand, Leftists are continually bemoaning the fact that they have to drag White Australians kicking and screaming into multiculturalism.
Ignoring the fact that most non Whites have to be similarly coaxed and prodded the very kicking, screaming and other negative responses are indicative of one of two things.
Either none of us are ready for it, or..
None of us really want it.
The very Real and severe Race hatred and Supremacism we find from time to time among Whites is a born of a single world view in a pathological state.
Racism is a cultural infection, you don't deal with it by smashing it and splashing all and sundry with it's black Ichor nor does confining it in the dark margins of society cure it.
If Leftists were serious about multiculturalism and Racism they'd be bringing people out of the contaminated zone and disinfecting them instead of hunting them down or ostracising them.
The Left however is a virtual epidemic of cultural viruses eating away at western society, a multiplicity of inflexible viewpoints does not make for a tolerant or stable society.

Things have gotten so bad that at Friday's anti Racism rally in Melbourne we were exhorted to scream and chant at a group of allegedly paid Stooges standing in for "Racists", I'm not joking, people were actually murmuring "Why are we yelling at those guys? They don't look like Racists to me" Truth is they weren't.
Then we were told by the organisers that the "Muslims" had been advised not to attend due to the threat of "right wing"violence.
WHAT? Are they serious?
There were no Racists there, there were never going to be any and there were dozens of us there ready to go into bat for the "Muslims" if things did turn ugly.
How can you have "Multiculturalism" in a society this sick?
how do you accurately represent such a gravely ill society in film and TV anyway?
Multiculturalism is the responsibility of White people, we're told.
Yet We're the only group in society which has most of it's people working against their own interests and against the intersets of the country.
We have idealogues on both side keeping up a barrage of hate so fierce that those of us in the middle who might actually have a plan have to keep their heads down to avoid having them knocked off.
So yeah, Whither multiculturalism in a time of cultural plagues?

Hey David, Joe, AKA Loudmouth thinks Multiculturalism and Racial assimilation are the same thing, in fact he thinks our only hope is for every bipedal humanoid on the continet to have beige coloured skin and an IQ of 80, which, no one will deny would be the end result.
We don't have anything to worry about do we?
Surely he's just blowing smoke up our...unmentionables?
He couldn't really believe that White people are better off not existing at all could he?

I used to enjoy the Black and White Minstrel Show
Does anybody know if and when it will be coming back?

The author writes

'Well-meaning powerful White people no longer care about democratic cultural diversity,'

I wonder if he has visited Sth Africa lately or India for that matter. He speaks of everyone else's ignorance and intolerance in order to promote his own agenda. There are actually far bigger issues for Australia than 'caring' about cultural diversities that has made England an absolute joke where shoe throwing and belting coppers is culturally promoted. I think the average Australian is far more concerned about ghettos and being swamped with cultures that are incompatible with the great nation which gave so many a fair go due to our Christian heritage. Since abandoning our heritage we are slowly turning into a lawless self centred and self destructing society.

Thanks CJ - I aim to please.

Jay, you still make little or no sense.

"Racism is a cultural infection" and then "in fact he thinks our only hope is for every bipedal humanoid on the continet to have beige coloured skin and an IQ of 80, which, no one will deny would be the end result."

Not sure if you can spot the contradiction there Jay.
Surely inter-marriage would be a good thing in the long run.

"Multiculturalism is the responsibility of White people, we're told."

By who? Its a shared responsibility incumbent upon everybody in the community.

"If Leftists were serious about multiculturalism and Racism they'd be bringing people out of the contaminated zone and disinfecting them instead of hunting them down or ostracising them."

When did the "Leftists" begin hunting anybody? If anything, I think certain activists from the other side go trolling the internet for an argument.

"He couldn't really believe that White people are better off not existing at all could he?"

When has Joe ever said anything like that? But Jay I recall some comments from you in another thread that were fairly offensive.

"Things have gotten so bad that at Friday's anti Racism rally in Melbourne we were exhorted to scream and chant at a group of allegedly paid Stooges standing in for "Racists", I'm not joking, people were actually murmuring "Why are we yelling at those guys? They don't look like Racists to me" Truth is they weren't."

Sorry mate, but with which group were you actually standing? Were you lost?

People like Andrew Jakubowicz have made a nice little earner for themselves,
agitating on behalf of the multicultural grievance industry.
Isn't it funny how everyone wants to come here but when they get here they want to change everything?
Australians are so racist! The white ones that is, of course.
Maybe the complainers should seek refuge in other, more tolerant, more accommodating countries.
Like Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia or Iran.
There must be a host of countries which don't suffer from being run by white supremacists.
Take your pick Andrew.
I'm sure we could stump up enough between us to pay for your one-way ticket out of this racist hell-hole.
Signed,
Hideously White Bland Anglo who never watched Neighbours but nevertheless somehow feels personally responsible for the lonely stabbing death of an Indian Australian late in a Melbourne night, if you say so.

Poxy: << Hideously White Bland Anglo who never watched Neighbours but nevertheless somehow feels personally responsible for the lonely stabbing death of an Indian Australian late in a Melbourne night, if you say so. >>

Ah... classic KMB/HermanYutic troll. I'm surprised you didn't squeeze something homophobic into that sentence too.

I'm just wondering what all our Indigenous Australians think of all these predominantly white 'foreigners' taking over the media in their own previously black populated Australia?

Australia is just so multicultural now, that it is a wonder we have such a wonderful country that everyone seems desperate to get to?

We must have done something right, surely?
Our multicultural history makes Australia what it is today.

We should continue to welcome diversity- including on the electronic media.

The American Comedian displayed the Australian as a pommie redneck culture although he did it in jest, alot of its not far from reality .
"Australian values" I dont subscribe to this I do however subscribe to universal values where you have duty to country , obeying laws as a citizen and so on , If australian values is about the stolen generation and the cronula riots where hooligans wave the aussie flag Pauline Hanson,the tampa crisis and silent racism reeks in the mediawhere it displays other races as inferior or non existent as part of the mainstream I couldnt agree more with the author .I migrated here from a British asian background and I tell you after 35 years of existence in this country I am appaled by the sick racist views of right wing nationalist who really are Facist . who believe their view and race are superior to all the citizens of 300 nations of the world
when really they are a bunch of pommie rednecks who do not understand social inclusion ,cohesion and pride of the nation for all citizens
You can see the rise of racism in the community and international views of australian as Pommie rednecks ( Robyn williams statement on the david letterman show" All this is the result of right wing nationalism Maybe one day Australia will wake up by then it could be too late its reputation tarnished and communitys divided rather then having a cohesive society

Thanks, Jay, for the sum-total of your wisdom - I love OLO: even someone with an IQ of 80 can contribute.

No, I don't think inter-marriage necessarily, or often, leads to what you call assimilation. I think assimilation has always been a bogey-man. Kids seem to be quite comfortable with multiple identities, depending on the context.

And as Darwin noted in his comments about hybrid vigour (check out his Descent of Man), such mixing tends to produce more intelligent, certainly better looking, kids, an opportunity for Anglos to improve the genetics of their descendants.

None of us lives forever: as the probability rises of our children and grandchildren marrying people from other groups, yes, it becomes less and less likely that 'pure-whites' will have 'pure-white' descendants.

It's all good, mate ! Put that in your .... and smoke it.

suzeonline,
I am not interested in trolling, and don't expect responses from other posters, but I would like to give you an answer to your question about what "our Indigenous Australians think of all these predominantly white 'foreigners' taking over the media in their own previously black populated Australia?"

Unfortunately, many migrants, including non-whites, to Australia tend to side with the powerful mainstream and some become very racist towards Australia's Indigenous peoples. Some people of colour develop a 'better class of black' mentality that is not appreciated by our mob. There is a bit of research done on it so I assume you will be able to find it if you want to.

So to answer your question, I believe that many Indigenous Australians are wary, but we like to consider each person as an individual and judge them by their actions.

This is my understanding, others may see it differenty and they will speak for themselves, if they want to.

Hey David, brainteaser:
Who said: "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they attack you, then you WIN"
I was at the rally because I'm against Racism and I'm Pro White.
Y'know, like the way Sharon Firebrace and Richard Downs are anti Racism and Pro Indigenous, like the way Ameer Ali is against Racism and pro Islam.
Furthermore the Facebook group that was supposed to be holding a "racist" rally at the same location are in reality a bunch of Pro Israel Islamophobes trying to lead young White kids astray, all the more reason to attend.
Don't believe me? Troll through their turgid Australian Defence League pages and you'll see.
It's also why I would have liked to see the "Muslims" there because in that sense it does concern them.
There was one young indigenous performer there who was wise beyond his years, yet whose name escapes me for the minute.
He said "Don't be Racist against the Racists, otherwise this will never end", never a truer word, he got a big cheer for that as well.
Anyway back to topic, I know you like to edit my posts to ridicule me so I'll let you get to work.
Want a more realistic picture of Australia in the media?
Cut foreign content to 10% and give filmmakers more tax breaks.
Want to fight Racism in the media, ban Jewish Hollywood productions from our shores. Inglorious Basterds anyone? how about another in the endless line of evil "Muslim Villains", Black hoodlums, and inscruatable Orientals?

Loudmouth:
So then in the future we have small numbers of "Racial" people in enclaves across the planet ruling as an elite over a majority of "Raceless", low IQ, low status peasants.
And it all starts over AGAIN. Lovely.
I suppose the next step is the "Halle Berry" argument, so I'll answer ahead of time.
No she isn't.
No I wouldn't.
No I think she's weird and deformed looking like all those really light skinned no race people, I'm sure most black guys would rather be with either Elin Nordgren or Alek Wek than anyone as ugly as Halle Berry, Beyonce or Rihanna.
As for you other assertion, if you cross an Ethiopian distance runner with a White Scientist are you going to get the world's best runner and the word's best mind? Unlikely.
I'll leave the rest to Pastor Manning one of my favorite commentators,and please watch the WHOLE video, cheers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuEc-nFULY8

I don't know, Jay, I wouldn't call Anglos low IQ, low status peasants. But feel free.

Try as I might, I can't recall what Elin Nordgren looks like. At my advanced age, I can't really read the fine print on grocery packaging, but I could pick Haile Berry or Beyonce at two hundred yards, no trouble. If Australians of the future have all of their beauty and brains, I agree there may not be much of a place for ugly people, or people with IQs of 80, but use your Anglo-advantages while they last, Jay.

Oh I am Joe, I am, don't worry about that.
Did you watch the video?
I'd post some links to some VALID criticism of White people by REAL Pro White commentators but I don't think you nor anyone else on this site is ready to hear the truth about our race.
That's the thing, criticising your own Race out of a love of your people, as Pastor Manning does is far more dangerous than criticising others because you might actually be called upon to do something about it. This is why, as I said you never hear the people in the middle of this Multiculturalist/Right Wing crossfire who might actually be able to change things for the better.
Here's another two:
A White guy from south Africa and a black guy AGAIN, both speaking sense, I tell you if you want a diverse range of opinions and a real representation of a society go to Youtube, forget the mainstream media. Just so you know the first set of videos are STRONG, I mean it if you are offended easily, don't watch but it's REAL.This is real media.
http://www.youtube.com/user/R3NDI3R#p/u/7/Zw4x5xp_-zI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT6QRsUzxm8

AKA, I don't know what you thought I was trying to say, but I was giving a sarcastic response to those people in our country who carry on about multiculturalism and how terrible it is that we are accepting more 'foreigners'.

I was suggesting that technically, all other ethnic groups in this country are 'foreigners' to Indigenous Australians.

Your comment on trolling was a bit unfair I feel, but as you said, you are certainly not speaking for everyone else.

Jay Of Melbourne, your line of thought (if it exists) is difficult to follow. I do think that if you visit the U.S. you could feel at home in Mississippi or one of our deep southern states.

Hi Joe,
No, I doubt I'd fit in any better there than anywhere else.
My train of thought is sometimes hard to follow because I rule no viewpoint or stream of thought out.
Harold Covington or David Dukes viewpoints on race relations are just as valid, to me as Pastor Manning or Bill Cosby. Everyones views need to be considered, that's not to say I see things in a relativistic way and don't attach more value to certain people's views than others but my mind is open.
It's what's called a pluralistic viewpoint and what I'm doing to these rather silly people is trying to point out that they only pretend to be open minded, whereas I actually am :)
Leftism has become so toxic that it barely retains the properties of a solid movement, it's so bloated and hateful that it can't move except to take aim at anyone who disagrees with it.
I'm a middle man, the Left are trying to round us Middle Men up and the Right are building the concentration camps to hold us, Run White Rabbit Run!

suzeonline,
sorry if I gave a wrong impression regarding trolling. I just didn't want to start a side conversation about the point I made responding to what I thought was your question.

I was not suggesting anyone was trolling, just cautious in case my comment was taken that way

Apology accepted aka.
Here's hoping we can all learn to live together peacefully here, no matter what the media does or does not do!

White Australians have attacked the Micheal Jackson show as “HIDEOUSLY BLACK”

Wait for the cries of horror and outrage.

Excuse me! but I am white and proud of my culture. Keep your “HIDEOUS WHITE” racist remarks to your self. (even if you are only repeating them second hand)

Does China have huge numbers of white and Japanese people on their T.V. and media shows? Does Africa have huge numbers of Indians and Chinese and whites on their media and Television. You show me any country in the world that is so advanced in their acceptance of other races. Are the countries you all ran away from so accepting.

Stop hitting whitey over the head with the big racist stick and start hitting yourself with it. The whites that are helping them beat other whites over the head with that stick, hit yourselves for falling for their phychological mind games.

LOUDMOUTH <as Darwin noted in his comments about hybrid vigour, such mixing tends to produce more intelligent, certainly better looking kids, an opportunity for Anglos to improve the genetics of their descendants>

Darwin is right and so the Anglo-European population( being less inbred than most other races on earth with their monotone dark hair and dark eyes) have gone on to become and will be recorded in history as being one of the most Intellectually advanced and powerful civilizations on earth. Responsible for most of the medical advances, advances in aviation, the internet, and you name it. Now I know you will say the Greeks were responsible for this but I am talkin about the advances in the last 150years. The fact that we are descended from the Romans who overran so many countries including Greece only supports what I said about the diversity, the hybrid vigour of the Anglo populations of todays Western World. Notice that we have every shade of hair, all shades of eyes. A sign of great genetic diversity. Hell we even have our share of dark hair and dark eyes.

Thank you for your compliment Loudmouth in recognizing how our great intelligence bought about by mixed breeding has made us the most advanced and powerful people in the world at the present time. Hence all the hatred and jealousy directed at us by other races. Who simply conspire to gain access to our achievements.

Actually I have made the observation before on OLO that if we can intermarry instead of remaining multicultural(tribal) we may reap the benefit that mixed breed dogs are observed to have over dogs constantly inbred. We will become much more physically and genetically stronger

Australian Values what a load of crap these are universal values concocted so that everybody from every other part of the world can feel that their values are inferior
And History has shown this is not so. I will never subscribe to this. Not while you have Silent racist media, or flag waving hooligans and as Robyn Williams the comedian said on the David Letterman show. Australians are a bunch of Pommie rednecks , and the Indian Government placed a travel warning Ban as Melbourne being a racist dangerous place,” BEWARE” All this is effecting the international reputation but the fascist and the mono cultureless don’t give a damm because that’s what they are insular ,facist, racist and have no idea about social cohesion
I only make this statement towards the right wing nationals who make this country the ugly Australia . They are creating anti social hype from decent individuals who come with universal values just because they are not white. Just ask them if white refugees came from Rhodesia on boats would they treat them the same . “ No Way”
The Media is also reeked with right wing press . We are now feeling the effects of Howards right win agenda. And Kevin Rudd is no better . He doesn’t want to stir
The right wingers so he doesn’t lose votes . And Australian people are sucked into this vortex of a national identity that will be good if you are white and everybody else and their values are inferior . If only true Australians “ Not facist ones” had politicians like Menzies , Keating ,Fraser ,Whitlam , Latham . The outcome would certainly be differen

Hi Cherful, you make some interesting points, but perhaps read too much into them. Yes, the British Isles have been invaded many times and in the long run benefited from additions to their gene pool - and most of those societies which invaded them were themselves the fruit of earlier invasions, and so on.

But don't just assume that this has not happened elsewhere. All human groups are very mixed, even if to our eyes 'they all look the same'.

Regardless of policy, people in modern urban societies eventually socialise and marry and have kids. Groups which tend to be more exclusive may look askance at this, and usually as a consequence, the children will be raised and tend to regard themselves as belonging to the more inclusive group (or groups). So gradually, the number of people in more exclusive groups will tend to decline, and the number of people who are welcomed into more inclusive groups will rise. The fact that children of mixed parentage will tend to be better-looking and more intelligent, will help this along.

And the quicker we get used to it, the better for all of us.

Joe

CHERFUL displays her usual depth of knowledge about history and genetics. However, it's nice to be able to agree completely with Joe for a change.

While I'm here, if Jay of Melbourne thinks Halle Berry is "weird and deformed looking", then he's got even more problems than I thought.

I think its an insult to think of Children of mixed race “ I rather call it Multi racial “ as more intelligent or good looking.
Civillisation wasn’t built on anglo saxon communitys . if you can trace the rise of civilized societys Anglo Saxon societys flourished after the roman Invasion . They were an invasive Colonial force in the 18th and 19 century . All races depending on their environment and culture will produce intelligent humans . If you look at all the inventions of different civilizations you might find quite a surprise as to who invented what. But its endemic in right wing nationalistic Australian society that they are superior
To others and their languages they use fails to show common universal respect for the all the people of the civilized world . If you have a facist nationalistic agenda then you control the media . The problem we have now is a new generation who were brought up under the Howardism . They are extremely right wing , more aggressive and have limited understanding of universal values . They have a redneck Top Down approach . In aworld of 20 million australians and 6 billion people in the world who are of different multi racial origins . It will become a problem when Australia run’s out of resources and Australians are trying to compete for international markets Just the other day an unemployed person I know was asked by an ethnic trade employer are you a racist . I was quite surprised by this and the nationalistic agenda started by Howardism is dividing a cohesive society Coupled together with Silent Racism in the media . The rudd govertmenis slightly better but is no different . the move to the right may serve the needs of the rednecks but the implications for the future will be a setback for a greater Cohesive Australi

Jay I think I speak for most of us on this thread when I say that your posts are illogical and just plain hard to fathom.

How can you square the tone of your comments on Halle Berry or Beyonce with your attendance at an "anti-racism" rally?

To say nothing of the fact that security wouldn't let you within ten feet of them.

Well said, Joe, Joe in the US, CJ and Silent whisperer.

Asia for the Asians
Africa for the Africans.
White countries for everybody.
Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are more crowded than Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.
Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to "assimilate," i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I'm not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?"

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn't object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for Anti-White.

David,I've explained why I was at the Rally, because I'm against Racism and Pro White,FACT there was a group allegedly threatening to stir up trouble between Muslims and Whites to serve the interests of a foreign third party, Israel, I was there to protest White youth being duped into thinking that this would solve anything.
Your "Play dumb" act is making you look foolish, not me, I'd thank you to come back to me with rebuttals or stay out of the discussion altogether.
As for my comments I don't have to justify not being attracted to people without any discernible racial characteristics.
Alek Wek is an example of African Beauty.
Elin Nordgren is an example of Nordic beauty
Halle Berry is an example of what exactly?

Elin Nordgren is an example of a nanny who married somebody famous.

Halle Berry can act. She's an example of a person with talent.

I don't need to try hard to make you look foolish. You are doing a fantastic job all on your own.

"I'd thank you to come back to me with rebuttals or stay out of the discussion altogether."

I have and you never really respond. You just make more outlandish statements.

You've just cut and pasted a post that you posted a month ago. Have you run out of material??

Have you actually been to the Netherlands or Belgium? How do you know that they are more crowded that Japan or Taiwan? What are these 'white' countries that you speak of? We've always referred to Australia as a brown land and I thought we'd established that its a poly-ethnic society? ;-) And its one where people of all races can happily inter-marry to create lovely looking young people who can act, play sports, be pop stars and nobel prize-winning scientists!

In case anyone else is unclear on what I'm saying, I'll recap in point form.
-Being against Racism and being pro White are not mutually exclusive.
-Racial assimilation is Genocide.
-The ONLY purpose of promoting assimilation of White people is to cause the eradication of those White skinned people. The purpose of Third world immigration is to facilitate the eradication of White people and many on this board support it.
-If I told you that all Africans should be wiped out by assimilation, you'd be mortified and object, yet if I protest about the eradication of my race by assimilation you can only respond with Ironic comments, ridicule, abuse and threats.
-The Netherlands and Belgium ARE as crowded as Japan and Taiwan yet NO ONE is suggesting that millions of NON Asians be re located there to solve their "problems".
-That there are no benefits whatsoever flowing to White people as a result of this immigration. Japan is facing the same challenges as Australia, aging population and low birth rate but NOBODY is suggesting that the solution to their problems lies in Third world migration.
-No other race, has so many members, that are actively working against their own interests. What you pro Assimilationists have is strictly a White person's disease.

JAY,

ANTI-RACIST IS A CODE WORD FOR ANTI WHITE.

Ain’t that the truth.. “Oh the games people play …every night and every day ….never saying what they mean and never meaning what they say”

SILENT WHISPERER - Back up a minute before you put the blame for Cronulla on the Australians.

The Muslims had been hanging around that beach causing trouble for quite a while baiting the Australians and sexually harassing the girls. Could the reason they were sexually harassing the girls be because of their belief that women who weren’t dressed in Muslim attire were not living by the rules of the Muslim culture and therefore should be treated with disrespect. Of course the main aim of the game was just to bait the different ethnic group on the beach. The aboriginal gangs play that game up here all the time when they want to beat white people up, they start hurling filthy insults at the female in couples walking by because they know the man or men in the group will try to defend them.

They were chatted by a lifeguard for their behaviour, and promptly beat him up. Again an act of aggressive, provoking behaviour. The Australians present reacted with anger and promptly told the
Muslim HOOLIGANS to go back where they came from(Arab Countries) if they couldn’t act with decency and respect towards the Australian way of life on the beaches.

The Australians however never sought revenge after the incident as the Muslims did, racing back to their community and coming back with 20car loads of Muslims and going on a revenge spree on the innocent people and their families in the town near the Cronulla beach most of whom were not even at the beach or involved in the incident, even murdering an innocent bystander in the process.

"The ONLY purpose of promoting assimilation of White people is to cause the eradication of those White skinned people."

Where is your evidence for this?

"The purpose of Third world immigration is to facilitate the eradication of White people and many on this board support it."

Really? Prove it? I thought these people were seeking a better life.

"Being against Racism and being pro White are not mutually exclusive"

So why say derogatory things about Halle Berry and other non-whites?

Cherful:
"The Muslims had been hanging around that beach causing trouble for quite a while baiting the Australians and sexually harassing the girls."

I think the Muslims are Australians ;-)

David, Leftism and Assimilationism depend entirely on one’s current opinion. A Leftist loves or hates according to his current feeling about a group from one set of words against another set of words. He HATES Evil, as he defines Evil according to his Leftist outlook.

So whoever he is currently criticizing, best of all if it has the virtue of being his own group, he currently Hates, because they are Evil on the only scale he knows.

The Leftist assumes the same motivation in others. To him, Hate is the basic motivation.
Loyalty is the most natural motivation for any animal above the level of a cockroach. Meer Kats hate other groups of Meer Kats during the period they are competing with them. Over tens of millions of years of years of evolution, there has never been a social animal who judged all others of his species objectively.

Leftists are very unnatural animals. What passes for loyalty in them is whether a group represents Good or Evil. Someone who is wrong is not just wrong, it is Hate of all things that are Good. No healthy minded person can think that way. He loves his family and knows what is right and wrong about them. THE LOYALTY DOES NOT VARY.

It is inevitable that the Leftist sees the world in terms of Hate versus Love, of Good versus Evil.

To a person with a healthy mind, this is a very sick way to look at things.

Jay of Melbourne: << Being against Racism and being pro White are not mutually exclusive. >>

There in a nutshell is your problem, Jay. Only under a truly perverse definition of racism could such a statement be true. The rest of your garbled nonsense seems to flow from that, so would you mind providing a definition of what you take the social phenomenon of 'racism' to be?

<< To a person with a healthy mind, this is a very sick way to look at things. >>

And how do you know this, exactly? Do you regard yourself as "a person with a healthy mind"

DAVID JENNINGS : re-sexual harrassment of girls on beaches <I think the Muslims are Australians>

There is flirty good natured sexual harrassment and then there is nasty put down sexual harrassment, In any case the Muslim males at the very least showed poor judgement in their actions. It would be the same as a group of Cronulla males going into Muslim areas and openly sexually harassing Muslim women.

If you had half and ounce of sense you wouldn’t do it without expecting some kind of confrontation with the locally present males.

Belting a lifeguard would be considered a low class act by most Australians even if it was done by a white person because the lifeguards volunteer their time to protect peoples lives at the beaches. It would be equivalvent to a white person going in and belting the local Iman in his mosque. Anyway lifeguards usually don’t tell somebody to behave unless it is really necessary.

This is a case of cocky Muslim males trying to throw their weight around in an Australian cultural situation When they got their arses kicked by the crowd metaphorically speaking, they did what all cowards do,they raced back to blame the whites for the trouble and brought the whole gang back for revenge. We see that sort of behaviour a lot lately at private parties where gatecrashers causing trouble are asked to leave and they come back with a gun or a few friends to get revenge for a situation they caused in the first place.

Riots on beaches are something practically unheard of in Australia so something must have been done to provoke the situation that happened on that beach that day. Australians are famously laidback and relaxed when they go to the beach. They have shared those beaches with immigrants from, everywhere for years why do they suddenly attack a group of muslim boys unless there was a lot of provocation?

You're all missing the point. We aren't truly representative. I mean, even with news reporters who are non-Anglo, they are still Anglo in speech, values, and you can tell they are assimilated.

If we were truly mulitucultural, we'd have an Arab guy doing the news an a hijab woman next tom him.

Also, we'd tolerate cock-fighting which is rife in Asian community, or dog fighting which is rife in Yugoslav community.

It's not necessary anyway, as in a society like ours, or the US, or UK, or any Anglo country, anyone can become anything. In fact, some of my friends who are from minorities (in truth, the Anglo is in the minority in Australia) laugh about how much easier it will be for them to get a job when they finish uni than me, due to diversity policies of most law firms.

It really is pathetic how bad it is. ANGLOS are the most tolerant people on earth, yet these minorities are all from filthy, racist cultures, illiberal to the bone.

I don't care about different coloured news readers, but shows about Lebanese Muslims would be dumb. Especially because it would not be accurate, I mean, it would probably be about how they suffer racism or something rather than the truth that they drive around in carloads bashing skips for fun.

You people have absolutely no idea.

I can see that this forum is being swamped by racist scum .The western world beat Facism in world two . America is run by Obama who is Australias Ally he is multi racial . As for the facist and racist Scum theres no point in explaining Logic. As alot information you conjure is far from reality and based on racial rhetoric . Go Jump in the sea you facist/racist

Totally agree with you Silent whisperer. There isn't a better or more apt word for these people than 'scum'.

I just looked up 'oxymoron' in the dictionary and found the following definition:

>> Being against Racism and being pro White are not mutually exclusive <<

Amazing example of doublethink.

Being against Racism and being pro Black are not mutually exclusive - not racist
Being against Racism and being pro Arab are not mutually exclusive - not racist
Being against Racism and being pro Chinese are not mutually exclusive - not racist
Being against Racism and being pro White are not mutually exclusive - racist scum

Racist scum?
Translation: OH NO! We're screwed! They've found at that we only believe in Multi Racialism because 230 years or so ago some bloke called Rousseau said "Animals don't have wars so all men are equal" and even though he was immediately proven wrong by the French Revolution we still cling to that forlorn hope.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they attack you, then you WIN!"
So we're now at two-nil, my favour.
Don't worry, there'll be a next time, and a next time.
Anyone who is interested in broadening their mind can learn how to take down these discussion threads and eventually the whole ridiculous, rotten system via:
http://whiterabbitradio.net/
http://www.whitakeronline.org/

Weirder and weirder.

I think this thread's reached the point where Morgan bows out and leaves it to the nutters and those who can be bothered with them.

Ciao til next time :)

What I dont understand is why one of the racist scumbags keeps quoting Robbie Williams like it means something. These people are low-lifes I don't know why they've been allowed to fester on OLO.

WHY SHOULDN'T WHITE PEOPLE DOMINATE THE MEDIA WE INVENTED IT.

Probably to our own detriment in some ways because we see all the tragedies unfolding around the world and we want to send troops in to help. Like Serbia, Somalia etc.East Timor, The Solomons all we ever get back is hate and give me more more more.

We see people starving because of famine and uncaring leaders who don't seem to have a clue how to run countries so they will be prosperous and beneficial to the whole of their populations.

So we help them out with billions of dollars in aid, money which by the way could be spent on our own people, our old and frail, it could pay for maternity leave for out mothers, be given to provide respite for our carers who are nearly driven to desperation for some kind of respite from the never ceasing chore of caring for those who are disabled or autistic. Our hospitals especially here in Queensland have emergency trolleys backed up in hospitals because of the lack of funds that the government has to put into more facilities.

Still we provide all this aid to foreign countries who only hate and demand more. I think those who send money to these countries while our own people have need have more the light of patronising idealism burning in their eyes than any kind of compassion. Or the light of blazing misguided religious zealism.

It's like having a child at home who desperately needs help but is ignored while the mother or father run off helping everybody but their own child in the name of charity. There is something cold and unfeeling about that.

Lets face it Cherful you like pretending that Australia is so important to other countries because it makes you feel important. Thats sad.

India and China don't need Australian aid. Neither does Japan. Thats over 2.5 billion people who don't need us. But we need Indian, Chinese and Japanese money. How does that make you feel? Not so smug now are you?

At any rate, this thread is about the media not foreign aid. Try and stay on topic if you can.

And white people didn't invent the media. Other cultures were reading and writing long before we were.

Not true jjplug, civilisation, writing, organised religion, technology spread South from the Caucasus not North from the Middle East.
There are temples being unearthed in Turkey and the Caucusus that date from at least 10,000 years ago.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/gobekli-tepe.html
Anyone who still promotes the idea that White people lived in caves while civilisation flowered elsewhere is just plain wrong, the Greeks, Persians, Hittites,Scythians,Hyksos,Armenians,Mycene and so on were WHITE.The Turkic people's and their decendents who now form the bulk of middle Easterners were much later arrivals.
The word Aryan is out of fashion now because of Hitler but Aryan culture is Indo Persian culture, the cultures of the East and Egypt which while developing later than the Caucasians were heavily influenced on all levels by the Aryans.The great cultural fusions of, Turkic,Asian and Aryan cultures led to the world we live in today, not some farcical "out of Africa" or "Everything was invented in the middle east" confection.We never were Africans and Were not just "Faded Black People", these assertions are simply LIES.
"Master Race" means First Race or Blueprint Race in any context outside hysterical Leftist Circles.

The only Robbie Williams lyric I know of is appropriately enough,"Let me entertain you", I'm not really a fan, I tend more to the Neo Folk, Americana and Bluegrass styles of music.
I've used a quote from one M.K.Gandhi a few times in this discourse, is that what you mean?
Anyway now that we've booted out the "You and me baby aint nothin' but mammals" crowd maybe we can go back to a serious critique of the article.
What we have to appreciate is that the author is paid to dispense information of this type, he earns his living by promoting a certain set of opinions or he's out of a job.
Most of these writers and academics have no other career prospects, if they don't write they don't eat, it doesn't even matter if what they write is a load of old Rhubarb, in most cases the only people who read it would have been trained at university to agree with him. That's the only point to a humanities course after all, to create compliant, Politically Correct "believers" just like an old style seminary.
In truth if we wanted to show an accurate picture of racial Australia in the media for every ten people depicted nine would be Caucasian and you'd have to choose between an Indigenous person or a non White or "migrant" for the tenth spot.

Dear Unemployed and Irrelevant of Melbourne,

The original aryans weren't white.
Dont think the Greeks, Persians, Hittites,Scythians etc thought of themselves as white.
India and China had pretty rocking civilisations in ancient times too.

Still I'm not sure what all the supremacist propaganda has to do with the original article.

Asians aren't white but they were reading and writing before we were.

And if you went and got ten people in Oz five of them might be Anglo's, two would be Asians, two would be Greek or Italian and one would be Indigenous or from somewhere else.

But none of them would be buying the racist bs that you've been peddling.

Well jjplug, if you can't move on from a humiliating defeat, since you can't behave in a professional or even an adult manner or maintain any sort of composure and get back to topic I'm happy to indulge you further.
In your opinion I'm a Racist.
In your opinion Armenians, Greeks,Serbs,Poles, Italians, Russians etc aren't Caucasian, that's a pretty mean and self serving definition but your type are routinely hateful.
In your opinion all "Anglos', by which I assume you mean White people who don't agree with you are Racists and Supremacists.
Since you define us as such in the interests of furthering your hateful stance against us you are clearly anti White.
Anti Racism is a code word for anti White.
Oh! says he, "I'm not Anti white, I am White, I'm just doing this to protect our country from White supremacists"
Well it's called TREASON ya big silly!
It happens all the time.
No other race, has so many members, that are actively working against their own interests. What you have is strictly a White person's disease.

Humiliating defeat?? All the smart people on this thread have disagreed with you. Lets face it, no respectable white person wants to be associated with views like yours. Thats the truth isn't it? I think the real problem here is how you just don't measure up in our society and how your own people, the white people, look down on you and we'd rather see non-whites on tv, at work and in our families, than somebody like you. Thats the truth.

So you've come up with this anti-white nonsense to put another group of people down and to make yourself feel like you belong to the majority group, when the truth is that you don't really belong. You're an outsider and you represent a marginal viewpoint at best.

When I'm not despairing for Australia's future, I sometimes reflect with amusement on how other countries would cope with the madness inflicted on us.

Imagine if a coterie of multicultural ideologues took control of Japan's governance:

Japan is blandly Japanese and homogeneous, they would cry.
We need greater ethnic diversity for a more vibrant and productive country.
The majority of faces on Japanese television are hideously Japanese!
Why isn't Japan ensuring that its racial composition reflects that of the earth at large?
Japanese who don't agree to implementing our multicultural policies are racist scum and hateful xenophobes.

Too bizarre for words isn't it?
That's what I keep telling myself,
but then I pinch myself and realise
that this is not a nightmare.
This is really happening.

Who are these disturbed people
and what is driving them?

Thank's "Proxy" wherever you are.
Political correctness is not LIKE a Religion, it IS a Religion.
These people are conditioned to believe that they as Whites are responsible for every bad thing that their race has done and heirs to none of the good things we have done.
This is a religious belief built up through years of conditioning, sometimes since infancy if their parents are believers in the religion of Political Correctness.
The idea that "everyone" thinks the way they do is pure religious mumbo jumbo, the fear of being judged by "others" is the fear of God and the supernatural, it's a trick as old as religion itself.
What kind of a person would say, "I claim nothing for myself or my children, we are not worthy of an identity nor of a future"
That's so sick, no other race has so many people actively working against their own interests and those of their children.
How could a person say to themselves "I reject the choices of my parents and ancestors up to this point and seek to end the family line herewith by assimilating with other races" That's a concept so monstrous that it almost defies reckoning, no other race does this, it's a cultural sickness that only affects the minds of White people.
The "Rest of the world" see us as a laughing stock because so many of our people are intent on self destruction, so deluded,mentally sick and cowardly.
What kind of a person will not stand up for a future for White children?
What kind of a person actively seeks to destroy his family, his culture and his history?
Why are so many of you so scared when someone like me comes along?
What do we have to lose by standing up and saying "I CLAIM THIS FOR MYSELF AND MY CHILDREN"
Nothing, you have nothing to Fear but Fear and Fear is the Mindkiller.

jjplug

<<I haven't even called you a racist.>>

Well maybe not specifically but here is a sample of your invective,
where you refer to people on this discussion to which I have also posted:

""What I dont understand is why one of the racist scumbags keeps quoting Robbie Williams like it means something."
"These people are low-lifes I don't know why they've been allowed to fester on OLO."

Then you say to them:

"we'd rather see non-whites on tv, at work and in our families, than somebody like you"

Then you say specifically to me:

"I think we'd be better off with more refugees and less people like you."

It seems clear to me that you include me as one of your "racist scumbags" and "low-lifes".

Not that I mind, I just like to clarify things.

BTW,
Now that you feel familiar enough with me to call me Poxy
(which, again, I don't mind),
with your permission,
may I call you Buttplug?
It seems more intimate somehow.

Here are three links .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txrwGB0RjDc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-UaYmhLXkk&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PTJPm1Z0V4&feature=related

The Xenophobic/ racist will discredit this with their Lies . As an employer I will not employ anyone who is a racist, similar to the Liberal party who just sacked a member who made racist comments on twitter , Just as in the Victorian Police force and the military . Here are the links to what I have been talking about.I ask all fair go Australians to wake up because this rise of xenophobia will
tarnish this country's reputation . The racist /right wing Journalist that are responsible for spreading false information should be convicted and the Corporation involved to pay a fine for not acting in good faith and inciting racial hatred based on inaccurate information if it can be proven so .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txrwGB0RjDc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-UaYmhLXkk&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PTJPm1Z0V4&feature=related

Again Poxy your problems with the truth continue. You can't show that I was referring to you when I supported Silent whisperers statement about scum on OLO. I wasn't even referring to you anyway. I was referring to Jay who is obviously a marginalised person with serious esteem issues.

If you can't tell the truth why should we believe any of your opinions?

I actually think that hardworking, honest refugees have more to offer than creeps like you.

Charming.
So getting back to topic after many derailments from the Race Haters.
Do we really expect "Reality" from a for profit mainstream media?
One way to ensure a diverse range of viewpoints is to expand the not for profit media sector.
As another poster noted the Radio world is alive with challenging and engaging programmes from all sectors of the community.
Internet Radio and podcasting have revolutionised broadcasting in the same way that blogging has done to journalism.
You can literally find any viewpoint and someone to agree with it on the net.
We don't need Murdoch and Fairfax anymore, as the White Nationalists over at Stormfront say: "We are our own media"

Indira Naidoo was such a wonderful newsreader. That new guy on ABC is fantastic and Anton Enus is just amazing.

No respectable person would view the Stormfront website. No normal, well adjusted person would think that a nazi site like Stormfront is any substitute for the Fairfax press or most of the Murdoch Press. Anybody who does just doesn't belong in 21st century Australia.

I understand that there’s a lot of self-flagellation going on in Middle-Eastern countries at the moment about this same issue.
The more enlightened citizenry are complaining that there aren’t enough bland Anglo faces on their television programs.
“We need more hideously white people to reflect our diversity”, they are saying.
It seems that very few of the immigrants and refugees streaming into their country from racist hell-holes like Australia are being represented on the screen.
The media there are ignoring, even demonising, all the people who’ve moved to the Middle-East for a better life, away from the shallow Western lifestyle.
These people have been attracted by the richness of the culture but now find that they are under-represented in the local soap operas.
Some Arab academics put the media’s lack of inclusiveness down to ignorance, as well as fear of the diverse other.
Others more bluntly admit that is an ugly expression of covert and sometimes even overt racism.
Multicultural advocates in the Middle East are complaining that the billions being spent on multicultural awareness grants and programs are insufficient and more funding is required.
They are also calling for legislation mandating the inclusion of more hideously bland white faces on Arabic television.
What is certain is that unless there is more diverse representation of the multicultural other on Middle-Eastern media the problem of the ghettoisation of Western refugees, who have come seeking asylum in the region, will only grow

What a lame attempt at satire.

You should try living in the UK for a while. Theres more diversity in the media over there. Oops what am I saying, you'd have to be able to land a job in London first...

Silent whisperer,

Xenophobia is a very ground of then and for recent Australia, a country established on land-grabbing and luring "lower races" to serve Anglo.

Diversity in the British media, yeah that's why shows like the Bill became such a joke, any wonder it's been axed.
The last time I saw it the intrepid Sun Hill team were hunting an ultra violent gang of Afro Carribean criminals and their mastermind.
In the end the "Mastermind" was a young blue eyed, blond haired girl.
SO realistic.
And I don't know if you've noticed but mainstream media is filled with game shows, reality programs and sport which DO show off "diversity", let alone the Jewish produced and acted Hollywood programs which are full of Affirmative Action minority co stars.
There is no problem here save in the minds of deluded White Leftists who don't want ANY White faces on TV because they hate their race with such a passion that they want it wiped off the face of the earth.

Oh and Political correctness is not LIKE a RELIGION it IS a RELIGION.
Diversity is nothing to do with tolerance.
Here's a link to another film which you probably won't watch:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6955013541295584775#

Since CJ has left this forum has become increasingly fractious - perhaps we could stay calm?

Still, Jay here's a piece that may relate to the protests you attended: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/wheres-our-sense-of-fair-go-gone-20100417-slc0.html

"Oh and Political correctness is not LIKE a RELIGION it IS a RELIGION"

You keep repeating this but repetition doesn't make it true - Goebbels was wrong. If being PC is a religion where is the church? How do I get confirmed? Who are the priests? I'll leave it up to you to make a joke about confession.

"Diversity in the British media, yeah that's why shows like the Bill became such a joke, any wonder it's been axed."

You watch the Bill too? Love the show. Its been axed because its almost 30 years old. Everything has its time and then things move on. You could say the same thing about white Australia ;-)

"...save in the minds of deluded White Leftists who don't want ANY White faces on TV because they hate their race with such a passion that they want it wiped off the face of the earth."

Except that nobody has said anything like that. Personally, I don't see how you go from an argument about social inclusion to genocide. There is a massive leap of logic there.

At any rate I can see this conversation going nowhere so I'm leaving this thread. Jay your views are appalling - just don't break any laws and leave people from groups that you don't like alone

Phillipe Mora? That's your example of an unbiased point of view? Give me a break he only saw the pictures, he obviously wasn't there.
One drunk or drug affected lunatic clad in Nike gear, eyes rolling in his head turned up and FIRST gave a, fist clenched Black Power salute, then when the cameramen rushed over gave a Roman salute and marched off up Swanston St talking to himself.
Everyone was laughing at him,then turned round and ignored him.
You weren't there, Phillipe Mora wasn't there, I was.
For the record Mirka Mora was not killed in a concentration camp, she was never in one, by another WW2 "Miracle" she was saved from transportation by her father.
The use of the Holocaust by that author is just pure emotional propaganda.
Here's another film you might like to see, this time from Israel:
http://wideeyecinema.com/?p=7208
Wow! Isn't the internet wonderful, such a DIVERSITY of views!

So are you denying the truth of the Holocaust? Twelve million people died in the concentration camps in the greatest tragedy that mankind has ever known.

Regarding the Melbourne protest, how do you know I wasn't there? How do you know Phillippe Mora wasn't there? We've already establish that you were standing in the wrong place.

"Isn't the internet wonderful, such a DIVERSITY of views"

Yes from reasoned argument (everybody who disagrees with Jay) to unbalanced ramblings (Jay).

While the Holocaust was certainly a tragedy, to call it
"the greatest tragedy that mankind has ever known"
seems not to take into account
Stalin's 30,000,000 body count or
Mao's 55,000,000 ± 15,000,000 souls.
I know those on the left of the spectrum
don't like to discuss Communist atrocities much,
but is there a particular reason that
the Holocaust is deemed more tragic than the others?
Is it because Stalin and Mao's victims died for a good cause?

*Groan* Here we go.
All information is produced for a reason, Mora SOLD his article to the Age.
Phillippe Mora wasn't around to see the Holocaust, neither was I, so if he uses it to make money through selling articles and to push a PC point of view it's OK, if I call him out on it I'm called an Anti Semite and a Holocaust denier.
Mirka herself describes her rescue as a "miracle", I don't know what else to call it either, do some reading on her life story, it's truly amazing.
The term Holocaust Denier is the lowest, most cowardly tactic one White man can us against another in a debate, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
If you don't want to talk about the portrayal of race in the media and if you can't come up with a mature, honest and dare I say it Manly response to my posts then I'd suggest you take your own advice and stop posting here.
You want to shut down free speech with threats and innuendo, I've repeatedly told you I won't back down and that my posts are dedicated to undermining and antagonising self hating, Anti White people like you and not to offending non White people.
I've provided useful and thought provoking information in almost all of my posts, you have given nothing back to the debate save threats, sarcasm and insults.
Stop behaving like a spoilt brat and start behaving like a man.

So Jay, don't hedge your bets, did the Holocaust happen or not? There is more than enough documentary proof and eye witness evidence to support it - I won't rehash the David Irving libel trial.

But what's your view? Be a "man" and tell us what you really think?

" I've provided useful and thought provoking information in almost all of my posts, you have given nothing back to the debate save threats, sarcasm and insults."

Actually, you have never ever answered a single question that you have been asked. You have never provided any evidence to support your views. All you do is rehash your old posts and post stranger and stranger theories. As for insults, you're the one one who has been calling people, "self-hating white people." Neither I nor anybody else has said that we hate white people.

So lets have some evidence please:
1. Where is the evidence that being PC is a religion?
2. Where is the evidence that there is an anti-white genocide?
3. Where is your evidence that your opponents are in fact anti-white?
4. How do you know who was and was not at the protest?

Come on now .... or are JJ, Joe in the US, Suze, Silent whisperer, Loudmouth, Severin, and CJ correct about you? Thats quite a list..

Where is the evidence for your statement David,

"Twelve million people died in the concentration camps IN THE GREATEST TRAGEDY that mankind has EVER known."

Please provide some evidence.

My guess is you will as always provide no evidence, just general criticism.

He won't answer David, you are wasting your time on these people. Try opening a history book Jay, Ozzie, Poxy.

Gee the silence is deafening....

Sooo deafening......

Proxy,

Not differentiating holocaust-the methodical annihilating on biological grounds from a simply political cleansing Stalin/Mao/Pol Pot did brings nothing to this discussion.

Sorry to keep you waiting, I exceeded my post limit.
When the German government claimed that all Germany’s problems centered around a few selected Ethnic and Political groups and that the solution was to reduce the proportion of those groups within society a large number of Traitors from those groups and Opportunists from the general population went along with the idea because they stood to profit. They hid behind lies and stories of other’s suffering at the hands of these Out Groups because they were cowards at heart.
When they were ultimately proven wrong and their deeds exposed these Rats were ruthlessly dealt with and many paid dearly at the hands of those that they had wronged.
Now that the Governments of our White Western Nations are claiming that all our problems will be solved by reducing the proportion of White people in the community by transferring millions of non Whites to those places the same class of Traitors and opportunistic Rats are going along with the idea because they stand to profit. They hide behind lies and stories of the suffering of other groups.
As in the past these traitors will be proven wrong, their crimes will be exposed and they’ll be called to account by the people they have hurt.
Hiding behind someone else’s story of suffering is the act of a Coward, a Rat and a Traitor, I’m telling my story, you’re telling someone else’s, not your own.

David you're a Liar, a Coward and an Opportunist..
Yad Vashem the pre eminent and final authority on the Holocaust has verified the identities of Three million Jews who are presumed to have perished under the Nazis.
http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/portal/IY_HON_Welcome
The figure of SIX million (NOT Twelve) is an estimate, it has always been portrayed as an estimate,no one has ever tried to deny it's an estimate and the figures have constantly been updated and revised by the authorities who have legitimate custody of their memory.
Decent, honest people have devoted their lives to researching this subject and constantly have to defend their work against scurrilous distortions and misrepresentations by Liars, Cowards and Opportunists seeking to use the tragedy for their own profit.
Furthermore there is not one sane, serious person on record as "Denying" the Holocaust, nobody who has come to public attention, such as Irving, Bradley Smith, Mark Webber, Fredrick Toben etc has ever denied that the holocaust happened.
Again you just seek to demonise,dehumanise and denigrate anyone who hold a different view to your own, you would have made a very good Nazi yourself, I on the other hand would most likely have found myself on the wrong side of the Wire.

Look he hasn't answered the question!!

You guys don't seem to understand how this game is played.
Are you Pro White or Pro White genocide? Answer yes or no please.
As for the Holocaust there is no yes or no answer.
There is no such thing as a Holocaust Denier, he's always a Straw Man.
You have painted me as something that does not exist, if you expect me to go out on a limb, create a whole new subset of Holocaust lore and try to disprove the theory that there was a Holocaust all by myself, well you're just plain Bonkers, nobody else tries to do it, why would I?
Then again if you want me to confirm that the Holocaust happened that must mean that you want me to be on your side, you wouldn't ask me to accept your point of view if you didn't want me to agree with you, since you're lying about me, ridiculing me and attacking me I'm pretty sure an alliance is not on your mind.
I ask myself, what would I gain from taking either position?
What's in it for me? Nothing.
What's in it for the alleged victims and their Families? Nothing.
My taking a position does nothing for the greater good of my own Race, the White Race nor indeed that of the Jewish people.
Furthermore the Jones v Scully case proved beyond any argument that unless you are recognised by other Historians as an expert on the Holocaust and have your research peer reviewed by other experts your opinions count for nothing.
David's opinions on the subject are as useless in furthering understanding of the subject as my own, yet he keeps pushing the issue upon me when I would rather stay out of something that is none of my business.
I'm trying to prevent the Genocide of the White Race, I'm trying to undermine people who promote White genocide.

I don't think that Jay has in any way answered my main question or any of my other questions. But I didn't really think that he would.

David, what are you asking me?
Are you asking me to join in your Pro assimilation, anti White Racist point of view?
Are you asking me to instigate an entirely new branch of Holocaust revisionism that seeks to disprove the six million hypothesis outright?
You are either pro White or Pro White Genocide.
It's not an unreasonable to ask someone to take such a position, non White people are not afraid to answer such questions.
Do you mean to see White people disappear not only from our TV screens but from the face of the Earth?
Why is it desirable to reduce the proportion of White people in White Western countries by deliberately bringing in millions of third world migrants to those countries and only those countries?
Why do so many people, as in the many pieces of evidence I've tendered wish to see the Genocide of White people? To see their rights to free speech in their own defence denied, to undermine the very concepts of Whiteness, White culture and White history.
Promoting Assimilation causes less White people to be born, it's a limit on White birth rates, limiting a group's birthrate is Genocide.
I'm not arguing with you David,being more socially developed than yourself I can aprreciate multiple points of view. I fully understand why you hate your race and want to betray us, I just want you to explain to others who may not have been exposed to such White Self Hatred why you think and act the way you do.
You've repeatedly asserted that you support Genocide of the White Race via Assimilation with other Races, maybe you could produce some evidence, some background as to why you think this is a good thing, that the world will be better off without Whites, maybe win people over to your point of view

I just think you're anti-answering the question. You've just responded with more hyperbole and nonsense. I could pick it apart but it does seem dreadfully pointless. Auf Weidersehen.

Yes, just as I thought, David asks others to provide proof but is unwilling to back up his own statements with any proof. Once again David, where is the proof for your statement

"Twelve million people died in the concentration camps IN THE GREATEST TRAGEDY that mankind has EVER known."

Wouldn't the greatest tragedy bit obviously be a subjective statement (ie pure opinion) and hence not something requiring proof. (Ya Big Silly). But denying that the Holocaust happened, or hedging your bets on it, obviously requires proof.

As Silent whisperer said ... "scum". The racists aren't willing to back up any of their assertions they just come back with ranting. I think the racists are on an anti-intellectual "genocide". THey fear knowledge and self-hating stupid people. They want to see intelligent people disappear forever from OLO. ... gee I can see how Jay writes this rubbish.

Still no response from David.

Still no response from anyone.

The Fascist nationalistic racist create fantasy story's to serve their own agenda . They talk about keeping Australia for white Australia and really are a threat to social cohesion in building a true Australia . They based their ideology on illusion. I do not wish to debate with . redneck moron's . How can you when their assumption of the world are not based on fact and reality but on illusion made up to serve their own scumbag Agenda. Like a said they are nothing but a pack of moronic scumbags. I am waiting for the day when I can litigate against these scumbags if the legislation requirements to do so is there . Neither will I tolerate a Racist in my workplace . He will be singled out and shown the door. I have become just as intolerant because they have the same agenda.

It's interesting that each side of the debate thinks that the other side "really are a threat to social cohesion in building a true Australia".
My view is that social cohesion is underpinned by shared values.
It seems intuitively obvious that the greater the degree of multiculturalism, the greater the diversity of values.
Are there universal core values, which all humans share, that transcend the diversity of values which are multicultural specific?
Are there a set of "Golden Rules" we can all agree upon?
I believe not.
For example, can the adherents of a supremacist socio-politico-religio ideology such as Islam ever accept the Australian concept of secular government, based on the separation of church and state.
The formal recognition of Sharia Law as a parallel legal system in the UK casts grave doubts that Muslims in Australia will accept the validity of the Australia legal system in settling domestic disputes, for example.
What are the long-term implications for Australian Muslim women?
What of the fundamental Golden Rule, which we express as "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"?
Western analysts of the Koran and Islamic law point out that Islam has a similar 'Golden Rule" but that it applies only to Muslims and has no bearing on Muslims relations with infidels (ie non-believers).
http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/the-pseudo-golden-rule-or-do-unto-which-others/
Can anybody advise me on the basis of what shared values would Islamic immigration into Australia contribute to social cohesion?
Or are "multiculturalism" and "diversity" enough, in and of themselves.

Jay of Melbourne etc.,

White genocide ? Not really - nobody is forcing you to marry outside your exclusive group, or to enrich the genetic diversity, good looks or intelligence of your descendants. But you'll never know what you're missing. Of course, your kids might have more sense.

Joe

Proxy since we're in the same ethnic group and I, David and a few others clearly have a low opinion of you and Jay what does that tell you about cohesion? Being of the same race doesn't make us cohesive.

And there are plenty of great Muslim Australians.

Joe please don't encourage Jay to have kids. :-)

Jiplug<China doesn't need Australian aid and neither does Japan>

And neither did I say they did. You say the Chinese don’t need us, well how come they were coming in here at the rate of 70,000 a year until it was stopped not that many years ago. Don’t forget that the Chinese need our territorial resources so it’s a two way street.

Japan must have thought they needed us or at least our whole country when they attacked Australia and tried to conquer us in World War 2. Also in the years leading up to world war 2 they invaded China and killed 15millions Chinese not to mention the rape of Manchuria. Let's not forget that little fact about the Japanese before you accuse white people of racism.

<white people didn’t invent the media.>

I’ll rephrase that then for the more slow of understanding. I mean the electronic media, isn’t that what the main beef is about, that there are not enough different ethnic people on Television in Australia.

Somebody mentioned the Murdoch Press. Mr. Murdoch is an old man married to a very young Chinese woman with whom he has children. So when he dies one of the main newspapers in the white world will pass to the hands of a Chinese and part Chinese dynasty.

What has Japan's WWII record got to do with anything? Germany (a white nation?!) was also raping and murdering millions of people at the same time.

White people didn't invent the electronic media. Do you think that all those other countries, Japan, Korea, China, India don't have their own electronic medias and haven't had them for a long time?

When you refer to the slow of understanding you must be referring to yourself. If I recall correctly on several occasions in previous threads other forum users have had to give you a lesson in very basic history. So I wouldn't be snide if I was you.

If China wasn't buying resources from us they could buy them from somewhere else. 70,000 Chinese migrants to Australia out of 1.1 billion isn't a very big percentage. So you can't use that to suggest that China needs us - plus you are conflating an individual's desire to migrate with a nation's collective will. Do you understand that people of other races are individuals as well?