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Two ontologies of ‘being’ : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 29/3/2010

The new atheists would have us return to a time in which the only realities are power, competition, pleasure and death.

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This is difficult to read and almost impossible to understand.
I think this is faith masquerading as thesis as it disappears up its own unattainable ambitions.
Posted by Shalmaneser, Monday, 29 March 2010 12:22:25 PM
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The atheist seem to be forming more non denominational faiths than the Christian church. There seems to be very little consensus. It is amusing to watch the increase in the numbers attending faith based schools as the atheist amoral philosophies produce the rotten fruit their doctrines are founded on. Facing the obvious is never something the atheist has been good at doing. Instead they use pseudo science to justify their godliness.
Posted by runner, Monday, 29 March 2010 12:32:24 PM
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Peter Sellick

Here is my promise to you.

Provide me with some real hard evidence that the deity Christians profess to believe in actually exists and you can witness my baptism.

I can find no evidence that such a deity exists.

The whole thrust of your piece seems to be:

It would be dreadful if the Christian deity did not exist. Therefore the Christian deity MUST exist.

As an example of wishful thinking this is magnificent. Its probative value is zero.

PLEASE Peter Sellick, rescue this infidel from his unbelief. Provide some EVIDENCE.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Monday, 29 March 2010 12:35:44 PM
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Peter,
Let get this clear. An Atheist is simply somebody who does not hold a belief about a supernatural being. Nothing else. Atheism, if it is indeed a movement, does not have any agreed position on any other thing that you mention here. You may speculate as you wish on what the ramifications of this state of non-belief might be but they are only opinion and nothing more. The onus still remains on you to demonstrate to all of us that your extraordinary claims about your beliefs are logical, rational and can be shown to be fact using some clear and concise reproducible test that is not related to an ancient book.
So far you have been unable to do this.
In the meantime could you please stop assigning attitudes about various subjects to people you have never met.
Thank you for your musings though, they are extremely entertaining.
Posted by Priscillian, Monday, 29 March 2010 1:36:59 PM
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The difference between an Athiest & a Thiest is only one thing.

Athiest: Power, Competition, Pleasure, Death.
Theist: Power, Competition, Death.

Notice that Pleasure is missing. For we all know that "Pleasure" is a sin.
Posted by Jayb, Monday, 29 March 2010 1:44:22 PM
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First of all my apologies, Peter Sellick, for misspelling your name in my previous post, that was impolite. It isn't as if we've only just met.

I am aware that you gave up talking to non-theologians a long time ago. And it's quite fun to see people still waiting for you to say "look here guys, here's proof!"

The real enjoyment of your offerings, though, is the ever-decreasing circles with which you are describing your faith.

This could simply be a case of over-intellectualizing, in which case you may have many more years of such earnest wordsmithing ahead of you.

But it may also be that you are actually well along the path of a journey towards... atheism.

Yeah, I know. But hear me out.

Over the years you have developed increasingly abstract notions that deny your God any form of "being", this article being typical.

It probably started as a means for you to rationalize the absurdity of an actual "father". But this will eventually, inexorably, lead to defining him as a series of neurotransmitters, migrating to a presynaptic membrane.

In this article, you have almost completely rationalized the Trinity into electrical impulses.

"Thus the name of God as “Father, Son and Holy Spirit” is not the name of existent beings or subjects but of relations that have the attributes of the Pauline blessing: “The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.” This is not a blessing that proclaims the presence to the believer of a supernatural being but the presence of the grace, love and fellowship of God."

I suspect that nineteenth-century missionaries would have had a really tough time selling this particular construct to the natives of Africa, what?

It's either a sophisticated form of bait-and-switch, where you sell the product on the promise of a "father-in-the-sky" type of being, then admit that hey, it's only a "presence".

Or it is another step on the travolator to reality.

Feel free to ignore this, by the way, if it upsets you.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 29 March 2010 2:32:30 PM
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