Far too much of everybody else, and just enough of you eh Tim?

It was the movie Primary Colours where they used the elaborate metaphor of the fisherman wanting to take a pooh in the woods but was attacked by a bear - the fisherman was 'Clinton', the fish were the women he was sleeping with and the bear was the media. With Tim's story are the Nazis us or capitalism or are they the bears?

Remember Bruce Dern in that 60s movie about the forests floating in space? That's Tim.

Tim is pretty despondent. You and me are the problem. Every time we eat, breathe, drive, have babies or live, well, it's just a kick in the guts for mother nature. We're doomed. Doomed as doomed can get. There's a strain of anti-pop that reckon it's all over so the last one alive, would they please turn off the 40W globe.

me and others have debunked their closed system theory, their fortress Australia theory, their anti-immigration diatribes, and their anti-capitalist rants about growth.

The Nazis actually were early Greenies. They believed that the German people (Volk) sprung from the soil. They had their own conservation movement. There was a mythical association with forests, farms and people who tilled the earth. They ended up putting 6 million people under the earth but so it goes. In fact, the more I think about it, I can see some fantastic parallels between the Unsustainable People movement that Tim belongs to and Himmler's barking mad philosophies.

To think the introduction of a few simple democratic rights and the scaling back of a few entrepreneurial rights should fix this problem:
-Forbid any privately coordinated housing developments, making future development of housing a state/public only affair
-Any proposal to mine or develop a heritage/conservation area can ONLY commence if the specific project is admitted via referendum of all adjacent localities- or even the entire region or state(s) that the park is situated in.
-A census of all towns, remote communities, gauging if any would actually LIKE to urbanize up a bit (eg immediately surrounding areas of CBDs tend to endorse the idea, so do many highly isolated communities short on vital services), and an investigation into non-sensitive uninhabited ecoland to consider building new cities on, before any new developments are to be undertaken.
-A ban of a few decades of building new suburbs around the Sydney area (I imagine many from other major cities would feel the same)- which may be overridden or made permanent via referendum.

Therefore we have a sustainable and democratic (and likely more stable) system of population growth.

"me and others have debunked their closed system theory, their fortress Australia theory, their anti-immigration diatribes, and their anti-capitalist rants about growth."

Oh, please do expound. Just what argument counters the physical reality of a finite planet? I await with bated breath.

Seconded maate- I don't recall anything ever being 'debunked' as much as whinged about and associated with nazism a few times.

What is the difference between modern progressive socialism, national socialism, council of socialists and the Baal religion of the Cannaanites. They all believe the creation must come first and man must be iliminated to produce Eutopia or heaven on earth. Kill, kill, kill for out of the ashes and slime will arise the master race who will be the true caretakers of this beautiful new world order