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Wilderness: its not the name, its the management that counts : Comments

By Roger Underwood, published 5/3/2010

Wilderness is a political and an urban concept; more about ideas and ideology than about what happens on the ground.

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I invite any of you to contact me at jmcribbes@bigpond.com so that I can fwd photos to you.
This forest was incinerated (sic) on December 16th 2006. Then in June 2007 a reasonably heavy rainfall washed the burnt soil into the valleys where it eliminated the aquatic life.
Three years after the fires there is no regrowth except for ferns. There never were any middle story plants to re seed and regrow. This is ex Mountain Ash forest. The seeds were obviously destroyed in the fires that would have reached about 1200 C.
It is very unfortunate that my invitations to visit this area to examine the damage are never taken up.
Perhaps all the city/university experts don't want to face the truth. No forest can withstand the attack of wildfire at such temperatures.
I challenge you to email me so that I can send you photos taken two years after the fires.
Posted by phoenix94, Friday, 5 March 2010 7:08:04 PM
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Bernie masters,
you just confirmed my argument. Feral animals are running wild because bureaucrats have taken away peoples' rifles to cull feral animals. Policies & legislations prohibit people from doing something towards this problem. It is people who let animals run wild. It is people who prevent annual burning. It is people who ruin habitats & so on. the Aboriginals used fire as a weapon to hunt for food & this in turn kept the brush fire danger low. it wasn't "management" as such. The mutts I'm referring to are those half-baked academic type bureaucrats who have never been out of a supermarket parking lot & buy dirt in a spray can for their 4 wheel drives.
What a lot of people see as wilderness is quite often nothing more than a part of the country that is not developed. A lot of this wilderness is affected not by peoples' direct presence but by jetsam & flotsam from other parts of the planet. You just have to walk the "remote" beaches of Cape York to see this disgusting phenomenon. I call it "The last great Wildermess". Take a dinghy up a river & see the damage done by pigs. Why doesn't the Army use the feral pigs as a training enemy ? It would be very beneficial to the ecology of Cape York & for far less cost than another "Study".
Posted by individual, Friday, 5 March 2010 7:44:06 PM
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Individual ; I am having difficulty , are you for or against Human Intervention in our forests ?

Your two posts seem to suggest you might have two conflicting Philosophy's.

Perhaps a Ritalin tablet with your Wheat Bix might help ?

PS;
Did you know they actually train Pigs to shoot Guns .
You should be careful what you advocate .
Posted by ShazBaz001, Saturday, 6 March 2010 8:19:06 AM
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The problems the article describes are widespread in Australia.As always the politicians will do what they can to snow the public and their public service mandarins will facilitate this.

Pity help the old school,hands on park rangers and foresters who can see what is happening but have no voice in the system.

When tracks are allowed to overgrow in heavily vegetated areas not only does it make management generally and fire management in particular much more difficult it also keeps bush walkers out.Getting people walking,responsibly,in the bush should be encouraged,not made impossible by impenetrable,fire prone vegetation.
Posted by Manorina, Saturday, 6 March 2010 8:24:49 AM
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Roger,
You are spot on in your comments for manufacturing wilderness for political purposes, mainly in seedy backroom deals to get green preferences from urban based lobby groups.

Nowhere is this more obvious than in North West Tasmania when the Tasmanian Conservation Trust nominated the Mt Vero and Savage River areas to be added to the National estate in 1989. The trust was given $120,000.00 by the Government to document the values.

They managed to find only 73,000 of wilderness in the region between the Arthur and Pieman Rivers, yet for the next twenty years this region called the Tarkine by lobbyists has been a political battlefield with massive reserves created by the Regional Forest Agreement and the 2004 Federal election.

Only last year the Minister for the Environment, Peter Garrett, made a decision to emergency list 447,606.71 ha as the Tarkine wilderness area. Not a bad emergency when the wilderness has increased from 73,000 ha to 448,000 in 20 years.

Now imagine how an eco tourist will feel when they enter this ‘wilderness’ to find the State’s largest open cut mine, as well as a 200 year mining history, with old mines and old towns scattered through the region, with a network of roads and tracks. Not to mention 150 years of logging history, the region once supporting over 40 sawmills, to say nothing of the farms and other non wilderness activity.

Then there is the aboriginal history with coastal area home of a number of family groups of the NW maritime tribe, only one of which was known as the Tarkinener. These groups used a ‘road’ though the region to access inland ochre mines, with the road kept clear by annual fire. Much of today’s forest is the result of the altered fire regimes, when the indigenous people were removed.

As can be seen by the wilderness society’s annual budget of $15 million, the term wilderness is a great marketing tool to create a sellable image; however the reality is often very different than the carefully created photo essay of the political brochure.
Posted by cinders, Saturday, 6 March 2010 9:23:44 AM
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ShazBaz001,
i'm not at all against human intervention unless of course you put bureaucrats & greenies in that category.
As for pigs & guns, I think that is highly offensive & I think you're the one who should exercise caution.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 6 March 2010 2:51:37 PM
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