Bogan Lucy wrote

"Ozzie at the risk of feeding the troll - do you know that bogan is sometimes used as a racist term for white working class people? I'm not ashamed of being either. At least I grew up to be a lawyer. What exactly is it that you do again? apart from trolling?"

No I never knew bogan was a racist term. I always thought it was a term used for uneducated, poorly behaved people like yourself. Please enlighten me as to exactly how the term is racist. I notice you often jump in and accuse many OLO users of racist remarks. Seems everthing to you is racist.

So you are a big time lawyer, wow. This may impress other OLO users but not me. Let me inform a few of the OLO readers. In the 80s and 90s in NSW, Law was one of the easiest degrees to gain entry to ( I'm not sure of what goes on today). It had one of the lowest entry marks, provided the applicant was more than 20 years old (to many Uni's this was classified as mature age). I had friends who were hairdressers and full time surfies going back to do law degrees. Nearly every Tom, Dick and Bogan has a Law degree. And nearly every University was developing their own Law degrees. Not only was it a super easy degree to get into but it was also an easy faculty for Uni's to set up and make money from. Very few infrastructure resources were required ( ie no labs, computer facilities, hospitals, etc) just class rooms, tutors, and books. The Uni's expanded and quickly pumped out thousands more lawyers, capable of doing very litte good for society other the arguing.

What I think was just fascinating from that rant was that you still haven't told me what you do for a living. Are you unemployed? Do you have such a huge issue with me because I'm a woman and I disagree with you?

You didn't make any sense in the last thread and you don't make any sense now. But I did notice at the time that several other people criticised you but you didn't really go after them. You went after me. The difference? They all had male sounding user names.

I still stand by my interpretation of Blair's statement as a valid possible interpretation, if ultimately incorrect, of what he had written. Read together with his dismissal of the Examinator, who was taking issue with Chris over a "race" (!!) issue, the sentence in the relevant post could be read that way. I think its interesting that even though I apologised, you are still making an issue about it. (Cad).

Now when I did law at UNSW in the 1990's the tertiary entrance rank for school leavers was well into the 90's. From memory the cut-off was 98.7 and I scored 99.2. I hope that doesn't make you feel small or inadequate.

I came from a poor background. But I've worked hard and I'm doing quite well in a firm.

As for your friends who are doing law, I know that some law schools let anybody in as graduate entry or as mature age students (over 21). But I got in as a school leaver to a top law school.

As for the term bogan. When was the last time that it was ever used against anybody other than white working class people. Some of my family members are bogans. I'm not ashamed of them. It might not be racist per se (there's that word again) but the Facebook group "So sick of flag waving bogans" etc changed its name after some of the users pointed out the potentially racist usage (?!) of the word bogan. Why don't you log onto Facebook and check it out.

Jayb
"You know, it's not hard to tell that the posters here got their information via the media. Did any of you actually look & read her policies? My bet. No."
"Hanson wasn't against immigration, just Boat people or illegal immigrants"
"I and most Australians want our immigration policy radically reviewed and that of multiculturalism abolished. I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians. Between 1984 and 1995, 40 % of all migrants coming into this country were of Asian origin. They have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate.”
Pauline Hanson's maiden speech in Federal Parliament
Tuesday, 10th September 1996.
Lucy
"As for the term bogan. When was the last time that it was ever used against anybody other than white working class people."
I guess the reason for that is that bogans are a sub-group of white working class people with a love of Jim Beam, heavy metal music, black Tshirts , flannies and V8s.

Blairbar
Yes, her maiden speech was very inarticulate. We all know that. One of the things she was criticized for, being too ordinary Australian. Her actual policies on immigration & other things were more specific. It's a pity she mentioned a particular group. Now, of course, it would be Muslims or Middle Easterns.

Since then there have been a number of reviews of our immigration policies moving towards Paulines view by both big parties. I'm not in favour of multiculturism either. I don't know anyone who is except for a few Latte set types. My heritage is Anglo/Scott/Irish/Swede & Danish. I don't get around in a kilt, speaking gailic & playing the bagpipes every day, all day. Once a year on Paddys day & Hogmarnay maybe. Do they assimilate? No.Do they form gettos? Yes. My take on that is that, she was right. Her sin, she said so. Not potically correct by Latte Set standards. Therein lies the problem. The Latte Set looks down on anyone who they consider isn't one of them. Racist?

Blairbar; that bogans are a sub-group of white working class people with a love of Jim Beam, heavy metal music, black Tshirts , flannies and V8s.

Yes, we all know that, but your sin. You said so. Politically incorrect by Latte Set standards. Therefore conceivably racist. The rest of us understand what you mean, without particular judgement.

Lucy; Do you have such a huge issue with me because I'm a woman and I disagree with you?

Oh oh! the feminist victim slip is showing. Are we all supposed to jump to your defence now?

Lucy; From memory the cut-off was 98.7 and I scored 99.2. I hope that doesn't make you feel small or inadequate. I came from a poor background. But I've worked hard and I'm doing quite well in a firm.

Bogans can have brains too, just most don't use them. You did. Good for you. But your feelings of inadequacy do show.

I don't know that I agree with you JayB. Something about the severity of the attack that Ozzie launched on Lucy, and the fact that he's done it across threads, makes me a tad uncomfortable.

We're now way off topic anyway. I enjoyed the article. Thought she made some valid points.

David Jennins; We're now way off topic anyway. I enjoyed the article.

No we're still on topic. See below.

Original article; Pauline Hanson, the former One Nation leader who polarised Australians with her strident anti-immigration views.

A blatent assumption. She was not against immigration. See her policies, not her maiden speech. She was against illegal immigration. There is a difference, which seems to get purposly ignored.

Original article; My own research deals, in part, with how Muslim Australians conceive of their attachment and connection to Australia. I am especially interested in the views of the approximately 40 per cent of Muslims who by birth are as Australian as Pauline Hanson. In a survey of 600 religious Muslims conducted as part of my doctoral research, I found that the majority of participants indicated they placed a high level of importance in preserving their Australian identity, and nearly 80 per cent of Australian-born individuals who provided textual responses to the request “tell us your thoughts on being Muslim and Australian” provided responses that can be specifically described, either wholly or in part, as affirming their connection to Australia and Australian identity.

I just bet she didn't ask the questions of her "Australian Muslims" research. Do you want Australia to adopt Sharia Law. The answer would be "YES". Do you want Australia to become Muslim. Answer "Yes definatley". Research can be manipulated to show what you want it to show.

If I went to the 20 houses in my street and did a survey. One Question. Should illegal immigrants be sent immediatly back to where they came from. I would get 20 Yes answers. So my research shows that everybody in Australia agrees that they should be sent home. Ahhh! research. Wonderful stuff.