Socratease made sense in his post that stated <" Sciences are about the things that makeup this earth. They have a strong sense real basis.There are measurements that can be made and theories sustained and made fact.
Religon is all about God and whatever flows from God. God is not of this earth and there can be no definitive statements about it that csn be verified or disproved."

That about says it all in a nutshell!
While creationists ask us to 'believe' what they say is true because God 'said so' through the men of thousands of years ago who wrote a book....right?

Scientists through the ages have discovered many cures for many diseases and illnesses, as well as immunizations to protect us.
They discovered anaesthetics, antibiotics, surgery, prosthetics, and chemotherapy.

All these are concrete, measurable discoveries.
They have come up with ideas to make our lives safer and longer.
I think I would rather put my trust with these guys thanks.

Yet we are asked by creationists to throw out anything scientists say about evolution because their unseen God apparently 'says so'.
Yeah right!

As usual, there seems to be a postmodern void of the non existence of truth, but perceptions of the subtext;

Science and Religion are never based on Philosophical Assumptions- and to be subjected to Philosophic assumptions creates subtext and subcategory of meaningless garble and junk that creates confusion , and fosters delusionement;- That is the point , and why it is used;
Read this rather long Essay;

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/178/
More could be learnt if David Stove was used as a philosophical launch pad in Universities, instead of the Anti- theses of absolute sociopathic Junkets for looters.

Yes The polytheistic Ideals of the self proclaimed Gods of Nothingness, but of the death and destruction theses.
Sound Evil enough.

AJ Phillips

I commend your patience with Runner. I suspect you are simply beating your reasonable head against a wall of "la-la-la-I-can't-hear-you".

Despite the demonstrable evidence of evolution, the understanding and technology that such knowledge provides us, let's pretend;

let's pretend that evolution is wrong, does this prove Creationism is correct? Of course not!

The only 'evidence' offered is "the bible tells me so" (as Suzeonline says) - the bible provides nothing in explanation for the existence of fossils layered in strata applicable to their species type, nor the inexorable movement of continents (Australia moves at approximately 5mm per year), I can place a link where this knowledge is explained far better than I can (http://biology.clc.uc.edu/Courses/bio303/contdrift.htm), but will the likes of the dogmatic fundamentalist even try to understand? Again, of course not, to do so would threaten their carefully structured self, their sneering attitude to others, their raison d'etre. Meanwhile they sit at their computers, are treated by their doctors, drive their fossil-fuelled cars, watch TV's, eat the fruits of selective breeding (man-made evolution) all the while mocking the study, research and sheer hard-work performed by millions of people.... and have effectively wasted 5 minutes of my life right now that I will never get back.

Severin

'Meanwhile they sit at their computers, are treated by their doctors, drive their fossil-fuelled cars, watch TV's, eat the fruits of selective breeding (man-made evolution) all the while mocking the study'

You are either deluded or deceitful to say that these things are a result of the evolution faith. Your little chance theories have nothing to do with the design of cars or TV's or the progress of medicine. I suggest you don't get so full of your own importance.

If only runner wasn't so thick about pastor's importance, or those pamphlets he hands out.

Rusty

AJ,
On one point in your last post we agree:

Your points still stand, just as well as they ever have.