be warned..you..need a strong stomache

http://12160.info/photo/effect-of-depleted-uranium?context=featured

so..the question..is..what would jesus want you to..do?

war..what war?

how about cluster bombs
or naplam..or white phosher

when..does the insanity end
where does the buck..stop*

This Is The Results of Using Depleted Uranium (DU) Munitions
THE HALF LIFE OF DU IS 4.5 BILLION YEARS

Use of DU in Iraq is a serious health threat to everyone worldwide.
It is the dramatic rise in the incidence of cancer and birth

why should we care?

as we all..know..man has been..in a non..stop war
[war..what is..it good for?]..for mutating the next stage of mutants

anyhow..be warned..the pictures are graphic
and represent..tens of thousands..[millions?]..from..japan..to korea..from..vietnam..to..palistein..afghanastan..to.iraq

[and soon..south-arabia and iran

anyhow..the page seems to redirect..very fast
indeed you..may or may..not have noted

ok..[so warmongers dont..like it..they cant stop it getting out there
[evenif the media stays mute....[how cute/not*]

THE TRUTH..hurts

http://12160.info/photo/effect-of-depleted-uranium?context=featured

but..to see just..the upsetting pictures
not the *alarming...info

http://api.ning.com/files/yrG0YlPnk7Fxb1euI2aboBQK0hgvezFmutwbgwL6WHYipltYXcn3H5x*H8Geakkt7Hq*TfbjRVacjGv9sUECxPeLivm5hXFi/Effect_Of_Depleted_Uranium.jpg?width=435&height=577

so..the question..is..what would jesus want you to..do?

war..what war?

how about cluster bombs
or naplam..or white phosher

when..does the insanity end
where does the buck..stop*

This Is The Results of Using Depleted Uranium (DU) Munitions
THE HALF LIFE OF DU IS 4.5 BILLION YEARS

Use of DU in Iraq is a serious health threat to everyone worldwide.
It is the dramatic rise in the incidence of cancer and birth

why should we care?

the plan
http://iamthewitness.com/Protocols-of-Zion.htm

the..finale

http://goldengaiadb.com/Coming_Home

anyhow..the name calling has begun
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15664&page=0

the preparation..for the false flag
[blackflag event..or red flag..event..depends on
this..being a non-event?

http://mondoweiss.net/2013/11/netanyahus-laurent-france.html
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131113/08405625230/tpp-ip-chapter-leaked-confirming-its-worse-than-acta.shtml

hence..this event..[prevent]
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/FBwarningAllWars.jpg
http://www.redressonline.com/2013/11/netanyahus-latest-deception/
http://intellihub.com/2013/11/13/america-and-israel-created-a-monster-computer-virus-which-now-threatens-nuclear-reactors-worldwide/

HOW CAN..YOU REMAIN..MUTE?8

OUG every war ever fought has been in the name of God.
Any war any God.
On the surface in the middle using this is just plain mad and bad.
However are you up to date with methods used by the other side.
Do you know of their victims.
And why they killed them.
War is always dreadful, I rather think a worthy God would have ended them years ago.
I too wounder why so many, from so many Gods followers look forward to eternity on their knees in worship and name it heaven.

One underdog,

The site to which you linked is a complete fraud. DU has such a low level of radioactivity that it is barely measurable and as for toxicity it is roughly equivalent to lead.

thats ok shadelow miner..we know your..proofs..are
as lacking in truth as your compassion..are you..one of them,,who..said ddt was a vitamin>?

or that gmo..dont damage 3 rd generatiobn..into sterility
and of course aids didnt come from.contaminated monkey serum[live virus]..injected into the afrikadarkiesd

of course..your just saying so is proof enough

was it,,you..that smoking makes you..twice..as sexy?

mate by their works will we know you..
you have ignored me for 8..weeks

its just logical to ask...why..now?
dont tell me as well as being a liberal party..shill
master of spin..and banker/fed pr-spin..you now defending war..with poisen arrows..

and opinion..what nothing onthe cheat sheet
well front runol boy for once..

WHAT ABOUT THE CLUSTER BOMBS..or the..HEALTHY white phospher bombs [made in..usa]..but mate let your zion-masters know putting all the mutagene-war dust..into their 4 th reike..mate thats a 4..billion year..exile

i dont..think your masters [nor you]..have though..the issue through

dont all..them..rotted kids faces make you want to puke?

here look again....the next one

http://enenews.com/cancers-fukushima-children-mother-dont-whats-actually-going-trust-govt-tv-private-hospital-finds-cysts-after-official-tests-all-clear-video

see if you can find one..that looks..
a bit..like your future grandson..why are you..not crying?
http://api.ning.com/files/yrG0YlPnk7Fxb1euI2aboBQK0hgvezFmutwbgwL6WHYipltYXcn3H5x*H8Geakkt7Hq*TfbjRVacjGv9sUECxPeLivm5hXFi/Effect_Of_Depleted_Uranium.jpg?width=435&height=577

UOG ,you are right. Dr Chris Busby has done studies in Fallugia Iraq.They traced the source of radiation via women's hair. Since women grow their hair long and keep it for years, their hair samples revealed not just depleted Uranium but a refined Uranium that implies a new weapon like a neutron bomb.

The women of Fallugia have been told not to have babies because the birth defects are to high and severe.

war
http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_11_09/Libya-from-bad-to-worse-5029/
http://en.alalam.ir/news/1533675
http://www.naturalnews.com/042864_measles_outbreak_mumps_vaccines_scientific_fraud.html

http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2013/11/vast-wasteland-effort-spent-americas-rampage-middle-east/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/11/03/israel-pulling-the-strings-of-nsa-surveillance-program-james-fetzer/

I read that six thousand people have been killed by sectarian violence so far this year in Iraq,..alone[how about egypt saudiasyria..palistein..war..its great mate

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/11/11/the_untold_story_of_war_us

Killing remains a daily occurrence, including regular instances of American special forces murdering civilians, drugs flow freely through the country and out to the world, and most women still wear the burka.
http://the-japan-news.com/news/article/0000788290?

Libya is reduced to rag tag bands engaged in fighting like rival gangs of bandits. Syria writhes in agony as the victim of an artificially-induced civil war with even the use of nerve gas on civilians by America’s proxy fighters winked at and lied about.

Such are just the continuing aftershocks of America’s violent, senseless campaign on the Middle East and the Muslim world.
http://www.examiner.com/article/again-all-us-talk-on-iran-s-nuclear-program-are-obvious-lies

The screams of the hundreds of thousands of initial victims of cluster bombs, Hellfire rockets, depleted uranium explosions, and white phosphorus were what Condi Rice once described as “the birth cries of a new Middle East,” likely just before she set off on another shopping spree to New York for more cute new shoes.

You might say Condi and her psychopathic associates assumed the God-like perspective in their work, as the people being devastated were regarded with the importance of ants being squashed by gleeful children in a playground.
http://12160.info/video/netanyahu-goes-off-script-on-iran-deal-i-ll-not-be-silenced

Ideas of “nation building” around all the slaughter and destruction are now almost forgotten in the press where they were once earnestly discussed like big government social programs of the 1960s.

It is hard to know whether those ideas were ever taken seriously in Washington
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5kwBeqjZZg
No clear-thinking person ever took the idea seriously,

http://digitaljournal.com/article/361939?

but as we know there is not a great deal of clear thinking in times of war, nor is there much of it at any time among American politicians.

till..now?
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2013/11/12/229942-john-kerry-unfiltered-in-his-own-words/
http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/us-iran-deal-will-shut-israel-war-plans/
http://en.ria.ru/world/20131110/184629970/Putin-Saudi-King-Discuss-Syria-Iran---Kremlin.html
http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/americas-deep-state-waging-absurd-wars/

The notion that you can change the basic culture and social structure of a nation of tens of millions over a foreseeable time span is laughable..
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/exclusive-us-blocks-publication-of-chilcots-report-on-how-britain-went-to-war-with-iraq-8937772.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP-zJPHyamI&feature=player_embedded

http://ancreport.com/podcasts/podcast.php?id=54

SM, the only complete fraud is the US and their murder of millions. No need to be a Yankee apologist with "DU has such a low level of radioactivity that it is barely measurable and as for toxicity it is roughly equivalent to lead." Abbott will do that job for you. Didn't Daddy SM say Agent Orange is good for you son, as those Aussie conscripts sailed off to that crazy Asian war! And Grandpa SM said Mustard Gas wont hurt you boy, over the top you go! Conservatives always lie about these things, how else do they get our youth to be cannon fodder in their never ending phony wars?
With the war in Afghanistan appearing to be winding down with a American/Australian defeat, can you lets us in on what will be the next poor third world country the US military-industrial complex will be unleashed upon. I tip it will be Iran, but maybe you have some inside information on the subject. Naturally our new warmongers in Canberra will be chafing at the bit to "get involved", doing what ever Uncle Sam demands.

Depleted uranium is actually less radioactive than raw uranium ore. And uranium ore isn't all that radioactive: it's only enriched uranium which is dangerously radioactive.

I'd quite happily sleep with a chunk of uranium ore on my bedside table because I've studied enough nuclear physics to know that people who live at high altitudes or travel a lot on planes will cop a higher radiation dose (cosmic rays) from their lifestyle choices. So will people who have to undergo a lot of medical scans (not so much a lifestyle choice). I'd rather wear a brooch of yellowcake for a year and eat a steady diet of brazil nuts than have a CAT scan because the yellowcake and brazil nuts will expose me to less radiation: if the medical profession considers CAT scans to be a reasonably safe procedure I'm at a loss to understand why we should be scared of DU.

DU is nasty stuff, but only in the same way that conventional lead muntions are nasty stuff. DU is used in munitions because it is denser than Pb: the wallop it packs is all down to old-school Newtonian mechanics and has nothing to do with nuclear physics. You could probably get even more effect out of osmium munitions but the cost would be prohibitive.

Dense materials don't just make good bullets. You know those shields they give you to protect yourself during X-rays? They're made of Pb, because Pb is dense and cheap. When it comes to radiation shielding, density is important. In situations where you want really good shielding from radiation they often use DU because it is a much better shield because of its density. How much sense would it make to fashion a radiation shield from a material which is also dangerously radioactive? None at all.

I'm all for banning munitions. But DU is a fairly safe and quite useful product when it is used properly: I don't consider blowing peoples intestines through their spines to be a good application but we shouldn't let ill-use diminish the value of a material.

Cheers,

Tony

Sargent shultz..sees only..that govt can..do no evil
it is imposable for the poor-boy..to concieve his own..govt pumping 350 tons of the junk into him..[in arosol mist form..]

its not the radioactivity..you dumb gernmain
its cause its a mutagene..[it kills nerves..mutate ya sperm..]
creates gulf war sindrone..[its a heavy metal..that is used to re-build ya bodies cells..but rebuilding them wrong]

think of it like mercury

http://www.ccnr.org/du_hague.html

no..freaking..govt-lawyer
would let the real facts get out
geez..public liability/plausable deniability..

if you knew what they..would really do to..you
just cause the..zion-master [satan..for short]..tells them to.
then just maybe..the shill in..you would be crying not deneying..too

here vaporize..some more
into ya guts..before even ya brain rots

heavy metals is good..just like trans fats..and smoking
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=depleted+uranium+side+effects

its sad..people so much more clever than me drink..the coolaide
take the blue pill..ya dill..[drink..the mercury from ya thermometer..if ya think heavey metal is good..just sprinkle it onya food like salt

sometimes i think..the shills really do believe the lawyer spin
but mostly..they are there to do their job

asbestos is only glass fibre..
yet it kills ya..you wouldnt breath in..asbestus dust[but wait..its inya brake pads..in ya diesel[micro-particulate is the biggest cause of lung cancer

but..its poisen
and war is..murder

two wrngs..cannot make it right
think..please think..stop defending the indefensible
try adding to the info..that may..shorten..or see the ending the murder..

any..idiot can justify anything..in ignorance
i note you affirmatively use-full idiots..[generically/not specificly..]..dont provide proof..to your re-assurance,..there only water in them shower roses..not sarin gas

get into a battle..breath-in..the 'fog'..of war
you..*know..human bodies are pulverized into that dust..
you sucked into your lungs..but..that 'fog/of modern-war..is much more..

it will mutate your kids..[vital-body systems]....thats for sure

in fact..here is proof..of what it REALLY does do
so as you suck it up..by..sucking in the coolaide
look at the fruits..of just 350 TONS*

http://api.ning.com/files/yrG0YlPnk7Fxb1euI2aboBQK0hgvezFmutwbgwL6WHYipltYXcn3H5x*H8Geakkt7Hq*TfbjRVacjGv9sUECxPeLivm5hXFi/Effect_Of_Depleted_Uranium.jpg?width=435&height=577

bah..hun-bug..jesus must feel..so proud..of your ignorance

This post indicates that the writer does not understand nuclear decay.
The fact is that a 4.5 billion half life indicates that "pure" U238, even in moderately large quantities, is not a nuclear decay hazard. U235 occurs in nature as 0.7% of the uranium in the ore as found and U235 is a hazard in concentrated form.
"Depleted" means that the shorter half life U235 (fissionable) has been removed from the concentrated natural ore.
The Linear No Threshold theory of radiation danger is a furphy. When life evolved on this planet the natural background radiation was much higher than it is now.
In one recent case of long term accidental exposure in a building in Taiwan 8,000 people were exposed to an average exposure of 400mSv over 20 years. The people were tracked and it was found that the health effects appear positive. For that number of people the predicted cancers outcome was 242, whereas, compared to an equivalent sample of citizens without the exposure the expected cancer outcome was 186. The actual cancer outcome was 5 (five). Robert Hargraves asked in his book, "Is chronic radiation an effective prophylaxis against cancer?"

underdog,

"The World Health Organization, the directing and coordinating authority for health within the United Nations, states that no risk of reproductive, developmental, or carcinogenic effects have been reported in humans due to DU exposure." Which is less than for lead.

Perhaps you could refer to a real organisation rather than the nutjobs you presently rely on.

However, exposure to DU or lead at high velocities is frequently fatal.

ok..lets try to see..this round..fired from a gun
first a chemical..reaction..of explosive force vaporizes some 'harmless'..[and probably..a likely beneficial..nutrient]..but highly acidic]..

that forces the round.. [say a ruber coated..round..or a du round]
down the spiral..barrel..[scraping off..as it goes]..micro particulate acidic mist..[this health*[lol]..giving mist..is heavy metal..plus acid=oxide..ie really really small.

micro-particulate HEAVY_METAL/oxide..[able to pass..the blood brain barrier..and enter amoug other things..into the nerves..WE ARE NOT TALKING..of it..as RADIO-active..only..as a raw material..for rebuilding cells

but simply as a heavy metal..particulate..
finer than mist[micro-particulate oxide]..it gets in
[now i dont need to explain..bioloigy..for you..yet

[previous debaits with..some of you ..have revealed biology..let alone chemistry..isnt..your strong..points..anyhow..now lets google

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=heavy+metal+oxides+side+effects

interesting aint it?

we should all..clearly be living
in higher radiaTION..if previous posters.will be believed

but the micro-particulate..war mist will kill you
suck..in all that gore blood guts and heavy metal mist

vaporized lead..OXIDES..in paint..and fuel..
must by your measure..be good for you too..

ITS NOT THE RADIATION
its the micro/particulate mist..left in..the dust
tiny stuff..unimportant RADIOACTIVELY speaking..but as super fine etherized micro particulate..its hurting the small childrens bodies

and all we get from you..is the company..lawyers pr/line
who..cares?./.about something you cant see..yet is injuring millions

your really not even trying[thats the sad thing]

Paul,

As a green you can be expected to jump on every fruity nut job beat up. So I am not going to waste time on your idiotic post.

let try to be serious

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=heavy+metal++in+biological+processing+formation

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2763257/

Oxidation is a chemical reaction involving transfer of an electron from electron rich to electron deficient entity.

The electron deficient molecule is termed an oxidizer or oxidizing agent. Heavy metals due to the presence of vacant d-orbital behave as potent oxidizing agents.

Metals and metal compounds are natural constituents of all ecosystems, moving between biological and non-biological system.

1 Numerous studies have reported toxic and carcinogenic effects induced when humans and animals are exposed to certain metals especially arsenic,2 lead,3 cadmium,4 chromium5 and mercury.6

A growing amount of results provide evidence that toxic and carcinogenic metals are capable of interacting with nuclear proteins and deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) causing oxidative deterioration of biological macromolecules.

Detailed studies in the past two decades have shown that metals like iron, cadmium, chromium, mercury, arsenic and lead possess the ability to produce reactive free radical species, which start chain reaction resulting in oxidation of lipid termed as lipid peroxidation, protein oxidation and oxidation of nucleic acid like DNA and ribonucleic acid (RNA).7

Deleterious free radical-mediated oxidations occur in aerobic organism as a result of normal oxygen metabolism.

An antioxidant is a substance capable
of preventing or slowing the oxidation of other molecules.
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=heavy+metal+oxides+in+biological+process+formation&

oh why bother

Underdog,

I see chemistry is not your strong point.

Most heavy metals are poisonous in sufficiently high levels. To reach those levels one would have to lick the interior of a vehicle hit by a DU shell.

Uranium is found naturally in trace levels everywhere, the tiny amount used in armour piercing munitions would hardly change it.

shadow/minor..quote..<<..one would have to lick
the interior of a vehicle hit by a DU shell...>>

then..what?

it gets in..and start mutating rna
starts stuffing [oxidizing]..around with the lipids trying to form..into a nose..or an eye..where the forehead is supposed to be

mate the heavy metal even changes cell conductivity

but lets go..back to your words

<<..one would have to lick the interior of a vehicle hit by a DU shell...>>

then what happens next

a clue..somehow..this is the end point

http://api.ning.com/files/yrG0YlPnk7Fxb1euI2aboBQK0hgvezFmutwbgwL6WHYipltYXcn3H5x*H8Geakkt7Hq*TfbjRVacjGv9sUECxPeLivm5hXFi/Effect_Of_Depleted_Uranium.jpg?width=435&height=577

even if its only salted upon your food
in your water as well as in..your food
the dust..is in..everything you touch..inside your lungs

[foegetting those licking blown-up tanks with their tongues

it dont matter HOW it got in
but that..*we could stop it..and didnt..try to explain the process

we got photos..of what happened

how do we allow this to..keep on happening
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=mutation+birth+defect+heavy+metal

then click..on..images..[pictures]

there are some things govt wont want studied
asbestosis and micro-particulate[and depleted uranium included]

here is an example..of how trustworthy
any chemical'..research..or drug..is anyhow]

Fraud: Drug Companies Selectively Publish Studies to Push Anti-Depressants
http://naturalsociety.com/drug-companies-lied-anti-depressants/

Nearly all the studies that showed the benefit of these drugs were published, and almost all of the studies proving antidepressants were ineffective or even harmful were kept tightly guarded.

In the secret vaults of many drug companies’ records, there is telling evidence that people who took a sugar pill got better 40% of the time and their drugs were only shown to be effective around 60% of the time.

So, anti-depressants are about as effective as a placebo.

[not mentioned in this articles the PRE-TESTING..even of the subjects
for adverse reactions...to the drug,..*before even bringing/them..into..the trial..

its a filthy busness..if you sell..nuke waste to arms suppliers

guess what..even..all this discussion..can be regarded as

secret*[of national-security..importance]
..because proving it..would REQUIRE them to..end it..

and for our govts..thats not going to..be allowed..to happen

[so put our best guy [sm]..on it..
we must shut this down]..get johan..isolated..[ridicule paul..the bigger threat]

then ignore..him..likew we did toarjasy
till..we figure out..how to..allow this to unfold..this bad dream.

you can ignore me..but you cant make the truth..go away
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15664&page=0

here is a small thing..THE shadow*POPE COULD help..EXPOSE*
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=mutaion+birth+defect+heavy+metal

leads..to graphic photo's..of du..phosher/children
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3651890

instead..let the shade-ohh..master..read-on

more in depth..study..of du
http://raniakhalek.com/2013/03/20/u-s-turns-a-blind-eye-to-iraqi-birth-defects-worse-than-hiroshima/

Al Jazeera’s Dahr Jamail reports that contamination from U.S. weapons, particularly Depleted Uranium (DU) munitions, has led to an Iraqi health crisis of epic proportions.

“[C]hildren being born with two heads, children born with only one eye, multiple tumours, disfiguring facial and body deformities, and complex nervous system problems,” are just some of the congenital birth defects being linked to military-related pollution.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/30/faulluja-birth-defects-iraq

today, 14.7 percent of Fallujah’s babies are born with a birth defect, 14 times the documented rate in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Fallujah’s babies have also experienced heart defects 13 times the European rate and nervous system defects 33 times that of Europe.

That comes on top of a 12-fold rise in childhood cancer rates since 2004. Furthermore, the male-to-female birth ratio is now 86 boys for every 100 girls, indicating genetic damage that affects males more than females.

According to a study published in the Bulletin of Environmental Contamination and Toxicology, a professional journal based in the southwestern German city of Heidelberg, there was a sevenfold increase in the number of birth defects in Basra between 1994 and 2003.

Official Iraqi government statistics show that, prior to the outbreak of the First Gulf War in 1991, the rate of cancer cases in Iraq was 40 out of 100,000 people.

By 1995, it had increased to 800 out of 100,000 people, and,

by 2005, it had doubled to at least 1,600 out of 100,000 people. Current estimates show the increasing trend continuing.

As Grist’s Susie Cagle points out,..
http://grist.org/news/thanks-for-the-oil-iraq-heres-some-cancer/

“That’s potentially a more than 4,000 percent increase
in the cancer rate,..making it more than 500 percent higher than the cancer rate..in the U.S.“

more
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3659185

SM, I can't help it if the truth hurts, struck a raw nerve with you did I, telling it like it is. Of course I don't expect a conservative to react to home truths, its far to painful to admit past sins committed by the like minded and those sins yet to pass. If the Yanks so command, Abbott will dutifully comply.

Howard signed a joint military exercise agreement with the USA in 2005 which included the testing of DU weapons on our soil.

It makes we wonder about their alleged "safety" when the fallout would be heading toward Shoalwater Bay and the Great Barrier Reef, as well as the Northern Territory - which was covered in the documentary "Blowin in the Wind".

The problem with DU is that once it is exploded it vaporises into a radioactive gas of tiny particles that can travel vast distances into populated areas.

The effects of vaporised DU exposure can take years to develop after exposure.

The number of US troops on DU-related medical disability from the first Gulf War doubled about 10 years after their initial exposure on the battlefield.

As well as those experienced in the battle areas, indications are that returned US soldiers are now having more babies with severe birth defects too.

The military also assured us that Agent Orange was safe too.

wobbles, thank you for those comments you obviously know a lot about this very dangerous material. You said; "agreement with the USA in 2005 which included the testing of DU weapons on our soil." some small comfort there with "testing on our soil" could be worse with "testing on our people" that comes later. I'm sure the US has the 'nasty' people of Iran or some other poor third world country in mind for that honour.
Please don't mention "Agent Orange" I mentioned it and it seemed to upset SM.
As for "returned US soldiers are now having more babies with severe birth defects too." What is a few babies with severe birth defects, compared to the wonderful pleasure of delivering freedom and democracy to the oppressed people of Iraq and Afghanistan etc. Not long now and the poor oil rich oppressed people of Iran will also feel the joys of US style freedom and democracy, along with a few million dead.

please dont take-it..badly shadow/minister
the truth must come out..but its fearsome stuff

i will remind you..that your role in the discovery..was key
for..without extremal prompting..the inner mind cant validate true from..faulse..its that durnbias of prejudging..on limited info

[its basic pr spin..thats how..the rot..
that lessons all..of our being..gets in.]

its sort of covered in..to days edit
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6040#176201

but the important thing..is we..all rise up..[passively resist by assisting..the inactive desisting..against this most..dishonorably discoverable..evil..vile..as one..

and you my brother have the word..skills
much..like bill..but unlike bill..you have the benefit..of hindsight

me..im..too much like hell en
yet when..i see these poor children..
http://api.ning.com/files/yrG0YlPnk7Fxb1euI2aboBQK0hgvezFmutwbgwL6WHYipltYXcn3H5x*H8Geakkt7Hq*TfbjRVacjGv9sUECxPeLivm5hXFi/Effect_Of_Depleted_Uranium.jpg?width=435&height=577

i..too want to run..

BUT*

lets just get it done?
how can this MESS..be..undone?

Bonehead conspiracy rantings are irritating, and I try and ignore them.

Dear Johan (OUG),

The following two links are interesting:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/25/qanda.armstrade

And -

http://rt.com/news/iraq-depleted-uranium-health-394

i think..i need say thanks
but..foxie-lexie..it just makes me angry
[and i dont.*need..more angery-demons..feeding my..anger
just so they can fuel..the beast..to..feast..off..my wasted energy
[or others..upset..by me..inadvertently..or even deliberately....[let it be]

shadow dosnt even say..'it's gods wil'..
which..is just as well..cause its not

my..feeling is its karma..[its what learning..they..gave unto others..in..previous lives]..the trick..for us now..is to not see the label[mark..of their lifes sins]

strangely enough..the faces the shoddily maestro..
now rejects helping..will more closely[sadly]..resemble his..next face

sadly others will look upon..*him..
and say..i wonder what he has done..of course i have now..done even..worse in..revealing this too him..[so i..shall earn an even more grotesque one..cause anything he NOW..does only..for face saving..is wasted]

regardless..those poor beings..deserve..a chance..to..know why
or maybe its kinder to simply..not see..nothing

[i see nothing]..not as perfect..as..its allowed to become
regardless..when good men..do nothing..they dont need know..the dangers they run..[even..if just making fun..of some other injured one]

sadly spirits too..need scape-goa
ts..simply because..justice must be seen to..be done
for everyone..

and hurting kids is unjust....[but how else..to end the karic comeback..[blow back]./.is as easy..as just being more like..you

[pure true love.
[love...everyone]
[the eternal life..will be fun..for everyone...

some just reach..eternal..earlier..
others later..but in time we..all come*..home.
even the shadow..come on mate..at least try to..save ya mates.

its..never..too late/
god too..loves..a repentant heart..
but even..his words wont cut it..for long.

Dear Johan (OUG),

I've written on this issue in the past that if more
and more nuclear weapons are built, and if more
sophisticated means of delivering them are devised,
and if more and more nations get control of these
vile devices, then we risk our own destruction.

Unfortunately the arms race introduced recurrent
instability into the balance of power, for each new
weapon or defence seems to offer one side or the other
a chance to gain or maintain some temporary advantage.
In practice, therefore, the reliance on nuclear deterrence
means a continuation of the arms race and the constant
threat of annihilation. Nuclear weapons do not guarantee
that war cannot happen, only that it will be calamitous
if it does. They don't so much defend as threaten, and
in threatening, they elicit still more threats in return,
as the world's growing stockpile of bombs and missiles
attests.

The obsessive focus on the threat of weapons as the way to
avoid war also blinds us to the central question - Is
anything that we value so important that it justifies
risking the destruction of the murder of hundreds of
millions of people and the jeopardizing of our very own
species?

Why can't we divert unprecedented energy and resources
to the real problems that face us, including poverty,
disease, over-population, and the devastation of our
natural environment. Instead of destroying we should be
looking at ways to enhance the life on our planet on which
billions of share our adventure.

Pacifism only works if no-one attacks you.

In the interim it assures any likely aggressors, and there are many who would like to balance their own economies with Australia's raw materials alone, that you have no will to defend yourself and your military assets and preparedness reflect that.

It must encourage attackers.

Ghandi said that his strategies would never have worked with Russia. He was able to take advantage of Britain's ethics, traditions and principles. Not all countries have been fortunate enough to inherit such traditions and institutions.

In a world where all nations face a common threat of direct
or indirect involvement in nuclear warfare, some reliable
method is needed to limit conflicts among sovereign states.
Before the twentieth century, there were few institutionalised
ways for hostile nations to achieve peaceful settlements.
When negotiations took place, they often occurred only after
a war - for the purpose of agreeing to a peace treaty that would
specify the spoils of the victor. Although the structure of
international peace-making is still rudimentary,
it now offers infinitely better prospects
for helping nations to avoid war.

Two vital elements for international peace-making are in place.
The first is the United Nations, which provides a forum for
world opinion and a mechanism for conflict resolution.

The second is a growing body of international law that specifies
the rights and obligations that nations have toward one another -
particularly with respect to aggression. Over the years, the UN
has intervened successfully in a number of wars and in several
situations that might have led to war.

A major difficulty with international peace-making, of course,
is that compliance with the resolutions of the UN and the
rulings of its World Court are voluntary, for no country is
willing to surrender its sovereignty to an international body.
The UN is most effective, in fact, when superpowers are able
to agree in a course of action and mobilize their blocs to
support it.

Even so, the organisation provides an influential forum for
world opinion, and while it does not always prevent war, it
surely helps make it less likely.

i can..only..agree..lexie..but know..that god
above..everything..must/be fair..and..more important..*seen..to be fair

thus..there caN..NEVER*BE..ultimate-power..by
one..'side;..or the other..the more..that yankies paid..for science to/build..more..in usa..the more that ussr..spent..on building..more there too..

ok..the 'commies'..went broke..[first]..dis-allowed..maintenance/servicing ..of..what they had...to deteriorate[]..in the end..the 'workers;..each*got..a share..of what was..by then well..and truly..broke/busted..

yet..when..we..in the west..went bust
[our govts sold .off the public assets.banks/services
and when all that ..new capitalist asset..needed new-cash..govts further went broke..bailing the rich..shadow masters out..[sorry i..forgot where,..i was going..ok...the commies got share's..and..we got looted.

you said..<<..The/obsessive focus..on/the threat..of weapons..as the way to..avoid war..also..blinds us..too

the..central question..Is./.anything that we value..so important that it justifies..risking..the destruction/of..everything-else..>>

in..the next realm..its..all perfect..but to..get there
we first..need to stuff..it up..[be tested]..right-royally..[to destruction..?'..here

this is..only..the fore-taste..before eternity
here..we separate..the lovers/from..the haters

<<..the murderof hundreds of..millions of people..and the jeopardizing..of ..our very own..species?>>

all life..has one*good/forgiving/living/loving-father
[species..is a men/thing..god just knows us..by..*the things we love..with..a passion..[and..he thus..gives us..the best means..body]..to achieve it..

[beasts love..the beastly things]
and..the beastly..have no place..in..eternity..thus they[WE]..live..here.now..[till..we get-it].

all of us..*here..have one thing..in..common
we wernt..evolved enough..to reside in..eternity..[yet]

so our father gave us..the way..plus the means..
to achieve..our lusts/loves/perverted beastly.passions..

[un-till we lust..to serve other..till
we CAN..give grace.,..we are unfit..to..receive grace.

<<..Why can't...we divert..unprecedented energy..and resources
to the real..problems that face us..>>

because we..as..[mere]..huh?-man..expect/worse karmic/blow-back?
we/arnt..ready..to..leave..our beastly needs..[simply be]..here..?

<<..including poverty,..>>

yes..poverty...one percent of us.owning 60%..of
seemingly everything..[thing is ..they DONT..even..own..it..
[its mortgaged..to the bank..or in..a family trust]...[but wealth..isnt the problem..

the poverty..is..but*

in..the astral-plane..the poor..live in palaces..
[this is..how they..perceive it]..but..the selfish..elite..
feel the..same hovel..is like a cage..of ice..that burns like fire..[the 'fire'..is the past/passions..of the fruits..misery..their theft..of the wealth..yeilds its return

<<..Instead of..destroying we/should be..looking at ways..to enhance the life..on our planet...on which..billions of..us...share our adventure.>>

sadly..[and i..talk from...experiences..
giving the pig pearls..only..saw the pearls..despoiled..they dont grasp values]..govt..should be tasked..to making it..*easier..to do the right..things..

and more difficult..to do..the vile things

never the less..this..[satans realm]..is THE ONLY..PLACE
where pure..love..and pure hate..can..freely decide..*to change sides

come-on..shadow..take a walk..in..my shoes
i said..hey..babe..take a walk..on the mildside,..[in-]..side.

Foxy,

A whole jumble of words does not alter the fact that pacifism and reliance on the UN will not serve Australia well.

To be practical: West Papua, a case example of the UN's effectiveness (sic),

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/03/201232172539145809.html

otb,

If you want your opinion to be respected you
need to respect the opinions of others even
if you don't happen to agree with them and referring
to someone's posts as you did with mine as a "jumble of words," is
insulting to say the least.

However, I shall let it pass this time.

Back to the topic.

Many factors may influence the decision to go to war - the
personalities of the leaders, the influence of nationalist,
religious, or other ideologies, the extent of popular support
for war, the anticipated economic gains or losses, the
ambitions or advice of the military, perceptions or
mispercpetions of the other side's motives and intentions, the
expected reaction of the international community, and, of course,
expectations about the likely outcome of the conflict.

But one factor that seems particularly likely to encourage
war is preparations for it.

A military build up by country X may make country Y feel
threatened, leading Y to begin a defensive build-up.
Country X perceives the new build-up as a hostile move and
increases its armaments, proving to Y that its suspicions
about X were right all along and that more arms are needed -
and so on.

In general, militarized nations tend to fight with other
militarized nations, and countries that prepare for war
tend to become engaged in war.

What is being questioned here is the modern world's obsession
with preparations for "defense" (it's never called "offense").
Many countries spend more of their budgets for military
purposes than they do for education or medical care.
Over the past quarter century, global spending for military
purposes has consumed budgets in the trillions.

This represents a colossal diversion of funds from socially
useful goals, for example, a single hour's worth of these
expenditures would suffice to save, through immunization, the
120,000 children around the world who die each day from
preventable infectious diseases. I am not advocating
pacifism. What I am advocating is a balance in our priorities.

They are about to remove 1300 rods from Reactor 4 at Fukushima and have not a clue about the dangers. Prof Michio Kaku, David Suzuki Dr Helen Caldicott ,Dr Arnie Gunderson and many others say if reator 4 goes up,they should evacuate all of Japan and the West coast of the USA.

Michio Kaku says that 3 reactors are in total melt down and the radiation released so far is thousands of times Hiroshima. This is a global catastrophe that is being covered up.http://fairewinds.org/ Arnie Gunderson of Fairewinds is a nuclear engineer with 40 years experience in decommissioning Nuclear reactors.

Arjay, and we have the lunatic conservative right supporting this madness throughout the world. What hope is there for us people of good will of ever preventing this, and other craziness, when the imbecilic fools cannot see the folly of their foolishness. What do they ever hope to gain from this, can you tell me?

Foxy,

I gave the example of West Papua as just one example why Australia should never rely on the UN. There are many more and not restricted to military invasions. The UN is highly political in what it does and not interested at all it would appear in Australia preserving its cultural identity and traditions, for instance. But then you might agree with the UN there.

Australia would do well to emulate Switzerland in its pacifism, be so defensive of its sovereignty and well prepared that any likely aggressor would think first of the cost.

Australia could spend much more on health and other concerns if it curtailed the victim industries that were unanticipated negative outcomes of Gough Whitlam's social 'initiatives'.

otb,

I never said that Australia should rely on the UN.
However, in a world where all nations face a common
threat of direct or indirect involvement in
nuclear warfare, some reliable method is needed to
limit conflict among sovereign states. Firstly, the United
Nations does provide a forum for world opinion and a
mechanism for conflict resolution. Secondly there is a
growing body of international law that specifies
the rights and obligations that nations have toward one
another - particularly with respect to aggression.

But, as has already been stated a major difficulty with
international peace-making, of course, is that compliance
with the resolutions of the United Nations and the rulings
of its World Court are voluntary because no country is
willing to surrender its sovereignty to an international
body. The United Nations is most efective, in fact, when
superpowers are able to agree on a course of action and
mobilize their blocs to support it.

Even so, the organisation provides an influential forum
for world opinion, and, while it does not always prevent
war, it surely helps make it less likely.

We have to remember that an important element in any peace
process is the international community and its mechanisms
for restraining conflict among its members. Trade,
travel, and telecommunications have made the nations of
the modern world more interdependent than ever before.

it seems we are..entertaining..concepts..[ideas]
so..todays edit..includes the power..of shared ideas
and why we seem so driven..to get others to share our own..ideas

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6040#176278

you must remember..someone..FIRST*..*gave you.your ideas.
then you gave them..life..[powers overr your living/thought/works

but how trust-worthy..was the source..?
if the source..has..expressed lie/fear..only fear can come out

edited extract

*His Mind
is..partly..YOURS..and also..*PARTLY..GOD’S.

This..needs clarification/not*..merely..in re-statement,
since..what..we have said..that..this before,..is..but..that wrought..by..life-EXPERIENCE...of..the conception..of a higher idea*

The..Holy-Spirit..is..simply..a will..[as you will]
calling..for..the *IDEA..[of healing...by..Being]..of thought,
of..*the..life..of..*the...idea..as it GAINS..ever more..living power..AS IT..*IS..SHARED.

by...Being..the call..FOR that..GOOD..of..God,
it..is also..the idea..OF God's good..fair/just..rewards.

*you are..ape-part..of God,..it is*also..the idea..your will envisions..of..the embodied-being/of..YOURSELF..being,..appart..as much a a part..as well..as of*..all the parts..of Good.[god]

The idea..of..the Holy Spirit/shares..the property[proper-ties]..properties....[pro-portions]..of other ideas,..because it follows*..upon..beyond..the laws..even..of the universe..of which IT
is..a part.[ape-heart]

Therefore,..it is strengthened*..by being..given*away.
It increases..in YOU..as you/give it..to your brothers.[for/free]

Since..thoughts*..*do not..have to be..*conscious..to exist,
your brother..does not..evem..have to/be AWARE..of/the Holy Spirit,[..either in himself..or in you]..for this..miracle..to occur.

He may/have..dissociated..the call/for Good,
just/as..YOU have...But the..dissociation..[misscreation].is healed in
BOTH/of..you..*as you*see_it*..in him,..and thus..acknowledge..its BEING.

Bill,..who/has..made..a number..of vital/contributions..to our
joint-venture,..made a..major-one..a while ago,..one..by..which
he..himself..did/not..notice/appreciate..or even understand.

If..*we recognize..its value together,..we/will..will to/be..en-able to..use it..together,..*because it is*..an idea,..and..*must therefore..be shared..to be/held...respected/reverently/reflectively/activly..used*.

When/Bill..said that..he..*was determined*
“NOT to see..you..that way,”..[he was speaking/negatively.]

If..he will..but..re-state..the same idea,,but..POSITIVELY,
as affirmation..he will..see the POWER..of what he/said.

He..*had realized.that there..*are..*two_ways..of seeing
you,..and..also that..*they..so seeing..are/diametrically..opposed to one/an-other.

These two ways..must be*..miss-realized..in HIS mind,..because he
was*..referring/to..HIMSELF..as/the..*per-ceiver.
They..*must also..be in YOURS,.because..what,..he was/perceiving..was YOU.

What..he was..*really saying..was..that/he
would*NOT..look at you..*through HIS ego,..nor..perceive*YOUR ego..in you.

Stated positively,..that..he would*..[will/to[..see you
through*..the Holy/Spirit..*in..HIS mind,..and perceive..*it..in YOURS.

What you acknowledge..in..your brother,..*you ARE
acknowledging.,.*in yourself...What you share *..you STRENGTHEN.

The voice..of..the Holy/Spirit..IS weakly..willed..in you..yet.
That..is why..you MUST*..share it,..*because..*it must be..INCREASED in/strength..*before YOU..can..will..to/hear it.

It is impossible..to hear it..in yourself..while it..is
indeterminate..[unfocused/unfiltered]..so weak..yet..in your OWN mind.

It is..*NOT weak..in itself;..but it IS..
limited/by..your..very/un-willingness to/hear it.

Will itself..is an idea,..and is therefore..only..strengthened by being shared...You have made/the mistake..of looking..*for the Holy Spirit..ONLY..*in YOURSELVES,..and that/is why..your meditations
have/frightened..you.

By..adopting..the ego’s..viewpoint,
you undertook..an..ego-alien..journey..of ,mal-creations..but fear not..

only your..own fears..keeps them..alive.
[recall..ye/not..ye..shalt..NOT*..FEAR..no*evil*].

Funny how - to some dedicated apologists - anything that challenges the morality of the sacred and holy work of the conservative forces of politics is seen as a conspiratorial ranting yet the feeblest of arguments against the alternative is leapt upon like "buzzards on a gut-wagon".

No amount of evidence will ever be enough to change their view of the world.

However there is always the slimmest of possibilities that both sides do some things right and also some things wrong.

It's more likely than one side always being wrong and the other always being perfectly right.

By the way, Depleted Uranium also does some very nasty things when it gets in contact with water, even in it's inert state - especially groundwater. Abandoned military bases leave behind incredible amounts of environmental pollution.

Asbestos also took a while to display problems in the community yet those interested and knowledgeable parties still kept producing the stuff.

So what's changed?

Foxy,

I have already given the example of West Papua. That and many more you ignore.

You might also consider this current article on the UN Human Rights Council,

<UN rights council welcomes strange bedfellows to the table
November 17, 2013

Human rights violators cannot uphold basic rights.
..
You would think the UN would know something about the world's nations. After all, it's sort of the reason for its existence. It may seem to bear the curse of Sisyphus, trying to create a better place in an imperfect world, but it is the planetary forum of civilisation.

And then along comes this: a few days ago, the UN General Assembly voted 14 new members on to its Human Rights Council. Among the 14 were China, Russia and Saudi Arabia. Let me repeat those names: China, Russia and Saudi Arabia.
..
Does anyone seriously expect violators of human rights to uphold the sanctity of human rights? It's a travesty and a farce>
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/un-rights-council-welcomes-strange-bedfellows-to-the-table-20131116-2xnqu.html

So much for the Greens lunar belief in the UN for its 'One World Government', with Bob Brown as the self-appointed first President.

Beach,
I understand your point. As these member states of the UN were elected to the Human Rights Council by the 193 members of the General Assembly, few if any of them can claim never to have violated human rights, how would YOU prevent their election in the first place. If membership of this council was restricted to only the "sinless" it could prove to be a very lonely council to be on, with the bloke from Tuvalu sitting there all alone, writing a very strongly worded proclamation on human rights violations in China, Russia and Saudi Arabia.

the big problem..as i see it..is united nations..should represent..the united states[of all..the states..of the world]..

[without the pubic servants [only one secretary/secret agent.,.policeman..or copper][bodypguard]....to watchn/report
that..they..[OUR REPS}..dont parlay..dealings..into treason..to the state

not just..the straight..staid/states of america
but the united states..of the world..

and all they can do..is resolve disputes..and endorse or dis-endorse state laws/state treaties..and states..giving away their peoples resources services..cash grants..or leases..to their..school..chums..or thier pals secret trust accounts

any business large enough..to be a state..gets a seat at the table
[either that..or a *sovereign united nation..[s.u.n]..with just the heads,..that act's like a house of lords..[without the servants]

Paul1405, "how would YOU prevent their election in the first place"

However I am not recommending the UN be the 'One World Government', the Greens are, and Bob Brown reckoned he should be the first president. LOL

otb,

As I've stated previously -
in a world where all nations face a common threat
of direct or indirect involvement in nuclear warfare,
some reliable method is needed to limit conflicts
among sovereign states. Those that anticipate that some
benign and fair "world government" will take on the task,
are likely to be disappointed. But if we look for
progress along that continuum that runs from war to peace,
the prospects are much more encouraging. Once we recognize
that war and peace are really opposite ends of a
continuum and that movement along this continuum, in
either direction, is the result of social processes that
develop and change over time under the influence of
government policies and popular pressures.

We have seen this process in the hostile, intricate dance of
the superpowers as they waver along the contimuum between
war and peace - sometimes tending one way, sometimes another.
Their policies are contrained by the knowledge that if one
side pushes the other too far, nuclear war could result.
Consequently, the countries test one another - but only
within the perceived limits of their mutual tolerance.
They are generally careful to avoid direct confrontation.

War and peace, therefore, are not either/or alternatives, for
the various actions or inactions of the superpowers tend to
move the world one way or another along the contimuum between
military holocaust and peaceful harmony. Seen in this light,
steps designed to enhance the prospects for peace rather than
war are matters of practical reality, not impractical ideals.

war..kills off the poor..the eternal external necessity.
Report from Iron Mountain unveils a hitherto top-secret report of a government commission that was requested to explore the consequences of lasting peace on American society.

http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/reportironmountain1.shtml

The shocking results of the study, as revealed in this report, led the government to conceal the existence of the commission--they had found that, among other things, peace may never be possible;

*that even if it were, it would probably be un-desirable, that "defending the national interest" is not the real purpose of war;
*that war is necessary;
that war deaths should be planned and budgeted.

REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN tells the story of how the project was formed, how it operated, What happened to it.

It includes the complete verbatim text
of the commission's hitherto classified report.

so willit be disinfo
or coded..info ..who..i knows only you could decide
being talked of here/now

http://www.republicbroadcasting.org/shoutcast/shoutcast.html

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=serum+phosphate+level+tooth+decay&

if your serum level falls below 3.9..ya teeth can rot
above..they cant

so..now do we get fake phosphates
like we got good/bad cholesterol..[or fats and trans-fats

thing is..the man..is playing games
but then there is the heavy ,metals we can avoid

just by ending war