I wonder how sustainability-oriented our government would be if they had free rein to make policies, without big business bearing down on them and all manner of people crying foul if we get even a tiny increase in taxes, costs or other impositions?

Gillard’s disagreement with Rudd’s big Australia has gone. She’s been silenced. And yet this is an enormously important issue – whether Australia has a population of 24 or 36 or 50 million or whatever before it stabilises. She clearly desires something other than what her government is offering in this regard.

Kelvin Thomson, long-serving Federal Member for Wills, has for some years now been giving speeches and interviews about the need to reduce immigration, stabilise our population and head towards a sustainable society.

A lot of what he says flies in the face of Labor policy. But he apparently has complete freedom to say it.

This would suggest to me that Gillard and the Labor leadership secretly agree with him and want him to sway the Australia public towards that way of thinking, but that they daren’t do it themselves for fear of a major backlash from big business and various other interests.

Bob Carr has similar often-expressed views to Thomson and has had for decades. Gillard knows this and yet she brought him into the top level of her government.

So what’s going on? Does Labor desire to break out of the terribly antisustainable continuous rapid growth trap and head towards a sensible Carr/Thomson political philosophy? Or are they just all over the place and undisciplined in allowing these two parliamentary members to continuously express views that are strongly in conflict with current Labor practices?

yes ludwig..as soon as they know
no doudt we will find out

till then..theres the army of bloggers
to inform us..its all going just as planned
[by unseen minds..willing to do unspeakable things]

have you noted how the dollar swings up/down
everytime juliar gifts someone else more money?
to bailout some other too big to fail[or bailout industry that cant produce without govt subsidy]

if its for big business as usual
its not serving us

just like the unions betryed us[even our bank betryed us]
what SHOULD be govt debt[is held on our kids credit cards]
somehow fed govt is near debt free[but states past default]
under the lot of it is too many levels of govt indexed taxing us

before govt started 'subsidy' of child care local councils did it for a third of the cost[and clever kids did it cheaper]..put childminding ALL IN ONE PLACE[make schools run 24/7]get rid of states..just fed plus council

WE GOT TO MANY GOVT LEECHES
leeching out of the public purse
NEEDING ETERNAL GROWTH[thus the high numbers spiral]

most the world is just looking for maximum return on investment
willing to buy govt bonds..returning less than inflation

and we grow
boom/bust

we build masive TEMPERARY infastucture]
pipelines rail into the never never[for a 30 year slow death]

[put in wind power/solar..doubling the true price..to build infastructureports rail highways through the great[lol] barie reef
\
[so rich elites can export our common wealth]
with ghost railways..from deep water ports..to holes in the ground

its an endless growth VORTEX*
keep shoveling fiat paper..into *

just like the memories of the boat people
sunk without a trace..[such is the future of this huh?man race]

where corperate trust
turned the life works of the living
into perpetual rust dust[from dust ye came]

to dust you wioll return
till then what matters is
just what did you do to change things?

http://whatreallyhappened.com/

our govt working for us
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57459357/gm-grass-linked-to-texas-cattle-deaths/

A mysterious mass death..of a herd of cattle
has prompted a federal investigation..in Central Texas.

Preliminary test results..are blaming the deaths on the GM/grass the cows were eating when they got sick,..reports CBS Station KEYE.

The cows dropped dead..several weeks ago on an 80-acre ranch owned by Jerry Abel in Elgin, just east of Austin...Abel says he's been using the fields for cattle grazing and hay for 15 years.

"A lot of leaf,..it's good grass,..tested high for protein
it should have been perfect,"..he told KEYE/correspondent..Lisa Leigh Kelly.

The grass is a genetically-modified form of Bermuda known as Tifton 85 which has been growing here for 15 years, ..eeding Abel's 18 head of Corriente cattle.

Corriente are used for team roping because of their small size and horns. "When we opened that gate to that fresh grass, they were all very anxious to get to that," said Abel.

Three weeks ago,*..the cattle had just been turned out
to enjoy the fresh grass,..when something went terribly wrong.

"When our trainer first heard the bellowing,..he thought/our pregnant heifer..may be having a calf or something," said Abel.

"But when he got down here,
virtually..*all of the steers..and heifers..were on the ground.

Some were already dead,
and the others were already in convulsions..." Within hours,..15 of the 18 cattle were dead.

"That was very traumatic to see,because there was nothing..you could do,..*obviously,..they were dying,".said Abel.

Preliminary tests revealed the Tifton 85 grass, ..which has been here for years, had suddenly started producing cyanide gas, poisoning the cattle. ..Coming off the drought that we had the last two years

we're concerned it was a combination of events that led us to this," Dr. Gary Warner, an Elgin veterinarian and cattle specialist who conducted the 15 necropsies, told Kelly.

What is more worrisome:..Other farmers have tested their Tifton 85 grass,..and several in Bastrop County..have found their fields are also toxic with cyanide.!

However,[as yet]..no other cattle have died.

Scientists at the U.S. Department of Agriculture..are dissecting the grass..to determine if there might have been some strange,unexpected mutation.

lol.

http://rt.com/usa/news/monsanto-crops-biotech-genetically-325/

http://www.thelonestarwatchdog.com/2012/06/23/congress-should-have-investigated-steriod-abuse-in-law-enforcement-not-roger-clemons-and-major-league-baseball/

Here’s a bit of background info on Thomson and Carr, just to demonstrate how strongly at odds they are with Labor’s massive immigration program, policy of continuous rapid population growth and their overall worship of growth as the cure for everything!

Kelvin Thomson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUEayFEWwOg

'14 Point Plan for Population Reform'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMLNxszTdO0&feature=relmfu

‘It staggers me that we so often ignore the elephant in the room: increasing population”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSSOCpSIAis&feature=endscreen&NR=1

“I don’t want to see Melbourne become a city like Mumbai or Shanghai or Mexico City”

Bob Carr:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNh6ApXa_KM

‘Paul Ehrlich is the prophet.’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FtoSqStdTU&feature=relmfu

“It’s deeply imbedded in the Australian psychology that we’ve got to go for a bigger and bigger population”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9S9XzEYI_0&feature=relmfu

“a silly economist, Saul Eslake…”

Now surely if any member of the Labor party were to strongly and consistently contradict the practices and policies of the party in any other way, they’d be out on their ear real quick!

Luddy, perhaps supporters of a smaller population should lobby for the right to take ones own life, then, once they reach 50, or their kids are grown up, which ever comes first, they can legally 'neck themselves' which will make room for others without the rapid growth you seem so concerned about.

You see many don't share your views about over populating, so perhaps this is the only solution, as then those who oppose the rapid growth, can actually do something about it, without effecting the rest of us.

No offense intended,just my warped sense of humor kicking in, as I quite enjoy most of your posts.