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Is this fair

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*Quantas held its passengers and this country to RANSOM*

Hehe Belly, sorry mate, but that is straight out of union school.

Fact is the union thugs were admitting to "bleed Qantas slowly",
or to the tune of 15 million $ a week, with their guerilla tactics.
Qantas put up with it for months. You can't run an airline like
that, people won't book tickets and Sheldon knew that.

The sticking point was not wages, but job certainty. In a competitive
market, where consumers decide, the only job certainty is with the
Govt. This whole thing badly backfired on Sheldon and his mates.

If its good enough for unions to hold the country to ransom, then
its good enough for companies.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 7:49:41 AM
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There may be collusion between Abbott and Qantas. A judicial enquiry may be in order.
Posted by 579, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 8:18:22 AM
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Its official- nobody making the "Asian wages" scare cam actually substantiate how a domestic airline "goes offshore"- or for that matter why Qantas was better sold than owned by the country.

Simple logistics- either Qantas would still operate a domestic service, and need to employ Australians, or it would stop all domestic services, and somebody else (hopefully a public-owned airline) will take its place and hire the workers instead.

Also, nobody put a gun to Joyce's head and forced him to keep his payrise, or for that matter even forced him to cut all services. He willingly did that himself, so pretending this entirely rests with the unions is slack-jawed silliness.
Posted by King Hazza, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 8:43:52 AM
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*Also, nobody put a gun to Joyce's head and forced him to keep his payrise, or for that matter even forced him to cut all services*

Of course they did Hazza, costing the airline 15 million a week.
Perhaps it just went over your head as to how they were doing it.

Just good old guerilla tactics, " we will strike, we won't strike"
which means huge costs to the airline, cancellation of flights,
cancellation of bookings as people want certainty when they book
their tickets, all at no cost to the unions.

No CEO can afford to let his company go broke with a proverbial
gun to his head. Not one worth his salt.

To recover, Qantas needed certainty. They used the only way they
had of guaranteeing that, under the Fair Work Act.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 9:10:09 AM
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Yabby,

One has to ask the question as to why Qantas has for so long been unable to harmonise its relationship with its workers.
Perhaps there's a fatal flaw in its management strategy?

(Btw...what have you guys done with all the women on this forum? They seem to have gone AWOL. It's a big ask to expect me to keep you all in line : )
Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 9:29:37 AM
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Poirot, the fight between management and workers at Qantas has
gone on for years. Both sides are at fault for that, I am the first
to admit that. It goes back to when the place was Govt owned and
a monopoly.

Its a bit like an old relationships, when you try to rewarm it.
People bring up things that happened 10-20 years ago. You said, you
did etc. Easier sometimes to start afresh. That is probably why
its easier for Virgin, with a new company, new ideas, people are
more open to change. Plenty of old Ansett pilots now fly for
Cathay, Emirates etc.

As to the women, well being spring, perhaps they are spring cleaning
or do other things common in spring :)

Or perhaps they just miss Anti to fight with, I think he was banned
for a while.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 10:01:50 AM
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