And as I was reading page 7 the add at the top of the page was an add for the my oath website.

Cornflower you forgot the context for your oath, it has to be set against a backdrop of taxpayer funded campaigns which imply that child abuse and neglect is something that only women do. It needs a setting where kids who complain of abuse and neglect by a male are told that men are unlikely to really hurt you or that most of the serious injuries are done by women so "child up" and start focussing on the real victims - those abused by women.

I wonder how the whole issue would look to those who support genderised campaigns if gender was swapped for race in the discussion. We can probably dig up some stats from somewhere which show a serious racial component to crime and violence.

Would we be Ok with publicly funded campaigns which said "Violence against White's - Australia says NO"? How about a white sheet day where high profile coloured people wore white sheet's and signed a pledge to not rob or assault white people?

R0bert

So an international movement devised by men to eradicate violence against women is "an abomination directed against men and boys"? I've always thought that violence against women is an abomination, rather than men trying to do something about it.

I had the impression that Cornflower is a woman, but I'm beginning to think I've been mistaken. It would explain alot.

You're really a homophobic, misogynist bloke, aren't you Cornflower?

R0bert - I know you have baggage on this subject, but I'm surprised and disappointed. Your experience of domestic violence perpetrated by a woman is far less common - and generally much less damaging - than that which is experienced far more often by women, and you know it.

Most issues of domestic violence have been generated by the belittlement of women, through the religious mentality of the wife should be bear foot, pregnant & in the kitchen where she is so called, 'belonging'. As long as there is a lack of equity & equality the issue will remain a 'Purple Money' charity that makes women a vulnerable needy object & makes men a victim of psychological abuse. Charities that the likes of Kevin Rudd's Catholic mafia will wear on their pretentious little $1000.00 jackets & promote with vigor.

CJ (Hi:)) The WRC has been one of the most important gestures of recognition that domestic violence is a problem and that communities should be involved in helping people at risk of harm to escape domestic violence.

Until now all the Menz sites have been focused on dismantling any means of redress, safety or escape for women and children in danger.

Since they are saying that violence as a wider social issue should be addressed as a whole; I would like to see what strategies they're proposing.

Does anyone know? What strategies are planned ? Does anyone have any concrete ideas on how this broader initiative is about to proceed?

(Indeed, it occurred to me as I typed that last sentence - has there ever been any barrier to a group like the various Menz organizations - from working to prevent violence generally? Are they already working to stop men abusing other men, for example. If not, why not?)

CJ 'Look at me, look at me, look at me'.

From your oft-told stories of your failed marriages, the child you are uncertain/sure is not yours (who cares, that is too much information) and your aggressive name calling and badgering of contributors on this site (was that muck throwing at RObert really necessary?), maybe you should be one of the first for a muzzle and an oath.

But you didn't take a WRD oath yourself did you because, "Where I live White Ribbon Day is a non-event"? So much for your commitment!

Fortunately you can spot men who commit DV from a mile off so and you label and ostracise them. "Hmy community is small enough that those few men who are violent towards women are easily identified and effectively ostracised."

Since when was ostracising suspected offenders an effective way of dealing with the problem, in the unlikely event you were right in your assessment and remembering that yours is, as you say, a small town?

How does it fit with that oath that you say ought be taken by others but not by you? You know, the bit that requires oath takers 'never to remain silent about violence against women'? Isn't that what you have admitted doing in your home town, ie., make an assumption, abruptly and sullenly send them to Coventry and do bugger-all else?

Where are the ethics in that?

Your support of WRD is like your support of the Greens, all bluster and BS, totally superficial and just part of your usual attention- seeking behaviour:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3238&page=5
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3238&page=6

" A 32-nation study found women commit half of all partner violence and are just as controlling as men. Two major US universities recently found women are more likely than men to "stalk, attack and abuse" their partners. US researchers have also found that "while severe assaults by wives remained fairly steady, the rate of severe abuse perpetrated by husbands decreased between 1985 and 1992 by almost 37%. In overall comparison to the constant rate of husband abuse, the combination of such significant decreases in wifebeating represented a 50% drop between 1975 and 1992".
"In the United States, mothers acting alone are responsible for 38.8% of cases of abuse, and fathers for 18.3% of cases. In child fatalities, mothers acting by themselves are responsible for 31.3% of cases, and fathers for 14.4%.

Can we get the hell out of this GENDER fight and do something about fixing things

Read John Bowlby, Attachment and Loss, The Trilogy, all may find the answers to all this.

These PROBLEMS have CAUSES and if we fix causes we fix problems

The Children are where we have got to START, and STOP biting at the adults we have all been hurt one way or another

Psychological and Mental abuse are listed as the same as Physical in the laws of TORTURE and carry the same penalty 14 years in gaol

Thanks from
Dave