it suddenly struck me..listening to the news
how the tamil/tigers were rounded up and murded

how the china thing..is the same ethnic cleansing..[as is going down with every bomb...going off arround the world]

yeah im not putting the question correctly...but isnt the racist procicution of blacks..as racist as china/malayasia doing their ethnic cleansings

or hitler with the jews
or the bolchovics and the xtians
or the iran ethnic cleansing..as one race/type murders the other
or israel and gazans
or pakistan killing their northern tribes
or spain persicuting their basks..[or basks reportedly dropping bombs..under those who profile them?

but lets step back a bit...how about them bloomimg poms cheating at cricket...or your football team...beating the other team

or the damm druggies
or them homo's
the dole bludgers

explain to me ...how its not...ALL HATE...[mate]

them damm bankers
those damm libs
the holow-cost carbon/tax deniers
the gmo sellouts

we could all easilly stop and think
or PLEASE EXPLAIN?...how its not hate...mate?
damm unionists
damm capitalists
damm moderators
damm bloggers

please explain..[about what i do complain
not how i chose to say it

dare to ask your self...or explain
why do you..hate us/me so?
or explain..why we hate you?

have we been saturated..by/into hate via our movies/friends/peers/media?
...that we blindly hate..based on their miss-info..or worse OTHERS fears?

or...if you cant reply
dare to ask...why do we love..to hate others?
or is it just me?

UOG, you go to such depths to try to get us going. We will probably never get over the hate thing. Hate is a manipulative thing, used to make us slaves of a certain group, and it is probably the most destructive of emotions.

Hate has its roots in tribalism. Tribalism is the curse of Africa and also of many parts of Asia, and was a problem even in Europe, and America. If you were not of our tribe you were sub human, in the eyes of the tribe. That meant you had no rights, could be murdered at will, women used as sexual objects, children treated as chattels, and one, only one philosophy teaches that this is bad.

The real reason that Jesus Christ was hung up, was that he was against tribalism. Initially the disciples tried to restrict Christianity to the Jews, but the Jews were and still are tribal, because they refused to accept the teachings. They had a chance to have Jesus Christ released and released Barabbas instead. Jesus knew he was going to be murdered. He sat in the garden and prayed, before his arrest, and asked His father which art in heaven, must I drink of this cup. The answer was yes, and when he was offered Roman Citizenship, and a get out of jail free card, by Pontius Pilate, he refused to accept it, and went willingly to his fate.

We are tribal too. We organize ourselves into political parties. We frown on members of the other party, and in some cases fanatics will not even associate with them. We are only covered with a thin veneer of civilization. It is not hard to find where this civilization has ended and tyranny begins. We will see how good the Prime Minister is if he manages to get the hate machines that are the Federal and Family Courts to abide the rules of the Constitution, and makes the High Court into a true instrument of peace.

If the Turnbull turns into a real Constitutionalist, love will convince him to compete, and offer true Christianity

Its Saturday afternoon. I will go off the church in a bit, but I cannot help trying to answer UOG in a little greater depth. I think we love to hate because we are insecure in our own selves. It is a very simple human emotion to blame our own woes on someone else. It must be his or her fault, because I am perfect in every way. Hate is a most destructive emotion because the person hated usually cannot give a damn. People hate the way women are treated by their Muslim masters in Afghanistan, but the victims are as much Australian soldiers as Muslim women.

GWB hated the regime of Saddam Hussein, and that hatred, while killing millions of Iraqi’s also has killed an enormous number of his fellow Americans, and maimed and scarred for life an enormous number of the survivors. The Yanks could easily end the Afghanistan war, by legalizing heroin production, and letting all who want to grow and consume the rubbish do so. In fact it could be controlled like tobacco and alcohol, by taxation. The same with cocaine. Instead of junkies murdering people or robbing and stealing to get a fix, they could be simply stoned in the street, until they decided to die.

The drug war in Mexico, is killing thousands. All this is hate driven. At my church there are ex junkies. This is after all Sydney, the sin capital of Australia. These ex junkies are clean these days, not because the system that locked them up reformed them, but because they found the love of Jesus Christ overcame their hatred for society that led them to drugs.

There are women there who have had hard lives, but are turned around and are at peace with themselves. The reason for their peace is they have laid the burden they carry on Jesus Christ, and the first thing they are asked to do is forgive. With forgiveness to those who have sinned against them, comes their own forgiveness and they can then get on with their lives. So many do, its encouraging

Hate is a very misused word. In a lot of respects the english language needs to adjust to the realitys of hatred and come up with a few new descriptors.

For instance I hate broccoli is a lot different to I hate jews isnt it. But by the use of the same term it distorts and clouds the meaning and the differences are not made clear. We say we hate many things but they are not all equal and the difference are not made clear by just saying "I hate".

Hating anyone you dont know is a bit weird and not really what we do when we are racist etc. Time and again it has been shown that actually get two foes together and suddenly the hatred dissolves. Because it wasnt really hatred.

Hatred in the real world. Hatred up close and personal. Where you are faced with real hatred person to person is actually pretty rare. Thankfully. Why? Because that sort of thing ends very badly and the vast majority of people dont want confrontation and will do anything to avoid it.

Funny how in private or anonymously on the net so many feel they can be vile and hateful. Is that cowardly or what? and why do we use such a strong word about frivolous things like brocolli or cricket or people we have never met?

Let's have a look at some the biggest haters of them all. These haters have thousands of years experience at hating and violence. They are called Christians.

Jesus was quite explicit in his condemnation of those who would not follow his teachings, saying to his disciples, " And if anyone will not receive you in your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that town. Truly, I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah, than for that town". If Jesus had so little regard for nonbelievers, then why should any of his followers? If Jesus can relegate nonbelievers to an eternity of torment (probably the most extreme example of "HATE" known to mankind), then why should we expect higher standards from his followers?

The answer? We CAN'T. The proof is in the pudding - - - - - over two thousand years of Christian hate towards, and non acceptance of, nonbelievers. Historically, some of the most violent acts known to mankind have been committed by Christians in efforts to rule lands, dominate populations, destroy cultures and spread the Christian word.

They sure know how to hate!

one under god
"why do we love..to hate others?"
Are you sure that we love to hate others or the others love to hate us?
Who started to hate first and why?
can you find the root of the hate?
can you find the reason for the hate?
can you see where the love stop and start the hate?
Is the hate the begin from an other love or the end from an other hate?
How love can win the hate?
How the hate can be won by the hate?
Is the hate part of the love or the love part of the hate?
Can you hate to hate or can you love to love?
Do not ask me why I love to hate you but ask your self may be you can find the answer to you than to me!
May be you and me and others and olo exist as individuals ONLY as a hate!
May be you and me and others and olo does not exist with the love!
May be the hate is a mark of the love for our self!
May be the love is a mark of the hate for our self.
Do not ask me ask your self!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Unredeemed humans hate because the devil is their master.

im going to sit on the fence just loving by saying as it is without deciding it an excuse to hate...i know its impossable to rationalise hate...and hate is maybe too strong a word

we can dispise others being lessor than we think they are capable...but this minour version of hate isnt enough excuse to kill others...were actuall hearing of cold blooded insanity [murder] everyday...but when its done FOR us thats seemingly ok

i recall macnamara had a theory that enough muder would eventually make us safe...or is it once the majic number is achieved..then those who love to murder wil say yes thats enough...not likely

how can anyone condone anyone dying for us[let alone claiming jesus died for our sins]..those who love to sin dont care who dies[as long as its not them]...im reminded that polite killing seemingly is ok

[i didnt hear many complaints when that sadman insane dopple ganger for sadam hussain died...via the hang mans noose...also seeing rhyme and reason for banning pot..that was arround the same time polpot was doing his genociding thing..

or letting smokers die via medical malfeasance..because they did it too them selves...yet a completly different perspective if its liver replacement from drunks killing their own livers with booze[over half are directly from booze

but i guess if its for a good reason ...god wont mind right

*dare to ask...why do we love..to hate others?
or is it just me?*

OUG, you need to separate hate from indifference.

As others have explained, yes we are tribal by nature.

If a member of your family dies, its a big deal. Yet if
you read in the paper that 5000 Chinese died in an earthquake,
most people don't give it a second thought, unless their family
ties extend there. That's human nature for you.

Hate is really a wasted emotion, not that far from love.
Think of the couple who one day hate each other enough to
call for a divorce, next thing they make up again.

Some people do in fact hate those who disagree with them,
but I can't really see the point. I might quite like a person,
yet still agree to disagree on some issues. That's life,
we don't all share the same opinions.

So hate in fact is more of a problem for the emotionally engulfed,
who struggle to separate emotion from reason and have trouble
thinking about what they feel and why.

Sounds like they need a course in good old emotional intelligence.

Master, if you were a churchgoer instead of on the outside looking in as a judgmental critic, you would know what you are saying is utter and complete twaddle.

One of the central tenets of Christendom is forgiveness, and non judgmentalism.

Misrepresentations like you love to put out are an example of the sort of hate, OUG is talking about. You have cherry picked a passage to illustrate a point, so I forgive you. Some people cannot help themselves.

Yabby beat me to it…..

I am indifferent to many. I do not like to see suffering but for most everyday folk, regardless of their values and beliefs, I am simply indifferent because whatever they do makes no different to me or what I do.

Example I do not hate terrorists.. that does not mean I would not see them dead but dead because they threaten my life(style) not simply because they are terrorists… if terrorists relinquished their terrorist ways and found legal means to pursue their causes there would be no reason for anyone else to hate them.

I do hate one ex-wife who stole part of my life (don’t care about the money.. I recouped that but the time I can never get back).. the other ex-wife I do not hate… although I do not love her any longer…

like Yabby suggested .. Indifference is not hate.

Finally, thinking someone is loathsome or contemptible (a few of those here, no names, no pack-drill) is not “hate” either.

this topic arose from feelings of revulsion...at listening to yesterdays news...you know news..[if it bleeds it leads]...but why focus on the bleeding matra..that numbs the news readers..reading out the[todays]..total of the latest bleeding stories...only jokingly called news..[to the excusion of that one puff/fluff piece..we hear as the final filler news...at the end..when the news that bleeds was short its quota for today

even the sports..usually shows only some hard tackle/or foul..in the vision behind the drone of sport scores...or the latest numbnut sportperson expoloiting their demigod powers..by abusing some idolatory fan or hypnotised female whoreshipper..seeking an autograoph or sperm sample...or some[the latest]spoting hero deficating in the hotel or his place of buisness

but the words thast inspired the title keep flooding in...obscuring the real quetion...why do we love...why are we so chasing those endorphines...so despirite for that endorphine high..that even extreme hate brings that high...

or is it a form of religious extracy replacement placebo affect..for those dead to love...or thinking them selves beyond such foolish dependances..such as love..yet subliminally seeking that love high..[even if only via loving hate..[or hating with a passion]

god loves our passions...thats why he has the place of darkness..for those with the extreem passions...that one simply cant talk of in polite circles..but via conditioning in the media we get numbed top even the most vile murder...

i know once even the mere sight of blood sent shivers into my phychi...now the blood can flow freely and leave me undisturbed eating my dinner...but what of that innocence lost..or it it lost empathy..or even eventually...

i wish i had the words to say it properly

Peter The believer, you claim to be a Christian yet your post above shows you are in denial about the history of EXTREME violence within Christianity over the past thousands of years. You CLEARLY don't understand the meaning of the word "hate" - - - - - if someone such as I points out the history of horrific Christian violence it does NOT mean we "hate" Christians as you have falsely implied. What it means is that we recognise REALITY and HISTORY, and don't live in a fairytale mindset of denial. My wife was a Christian when we married in 1949, my children are Christians. My children live in the REAL world, where they understand and recognise that Christianity has an element to it's history that is SHOCKINGLY violent and intolerant.

I see you realise you can't deny my bible quote. As you know there's MANY more quotes that say similar things. It's a FACT, whether you wish to openly admit it or not, that Jesus says that nonbelievers (simply the act of not believing in what is now known as the "Christian" god) will bring ETERNAL damnation and torment. Now THAT, in my opinion, is one of the worst manifestations of sheer HATE known to mankind.

Christianity, throughout it's long history, has been well known for it's brutality, violence and intolerance. It's been no different in this regard from many of the other belief systems.

But these days nobody "hates" in quite the same way as a fundamentalist, intolerant Christian. Yes, they love their "own", but are quite happy to see millions of decent people condemned to eternal torment and damnation because they don't believe in "their" version of god. They wouldn't call that "hate", they call it other things, but HATE IT IS! It's one of the most extreme forms of hate and intolerance.

Love to hate?
Strange thing for a Christian to say.
And untrue
I know of no single person I hate.
No race or creed I hate.
Hate may be a defense thing but it is not something every one does.
My worst enemy in the whole world, is also his own enemy.
His actions hurt him more than me, and I do not hate him.
Strange idea hate, from a Christian.

to quote the master...lol..<<..Jesus was quite explicit in his condemnation of those who would not follow his teachings, saying to his disciples,<<<ok agreed he WAS quite specific

returning to the quote..<<" And if anyone..>>..[quite specufic...<<..will not receive you in your words,>>>in other words will not hear[listen] to your words..ie love neighbour..love god...you will be reborn...other wpords regarding god/grace/love mercy...ect..

<<..shake off the dust from your feet>>>an ancient insult..[in tribal societies..is to show your displeasure...by showing the souls of your feet...notably there is the infamous case of a PROTESTOR...showing his displeasure..at a certain gwBUSCHE...by throwing his shoes...

this is in the same non-murderous[pacxifist],..solution to revealing..ones displeasure..to the source of the displeasure..[or dis comfort]...ie not murder.....thus explaining the specific...HOW

followed specificlly by the when..<<..as you leave that town.>>

but in case that isnt clear he said further<<..Truly,..I say unto you,..it shall be more tolerable..on the day of judgment..for the land>>>..specificly note THE land..<<of Sodom and Gomorrah,>>>i not those persons inhabiting ..the land[or towns..etc

<<..than for that town".>>>notinhg again the SPECIFIC USE OF SHOWING DISPLEASURE upon a town/land...by showing of the feet[by shaking off the dust]...not bombing the living ccccrap out of them...like that busche dude did...

..who got his payment in full via two shoes...[not a car bomb...not by murder of his [busches]..fellow yankis...

not by blood...but by the sole..[of a peacfull soul]...who managed to get ,more attention to/by.. his peacefull protest..than any home grown yanki unibomber...bombing his own

forgive me master..but are we reading the same teachings?

to reply belly...yes some who claim to be xtian...simply never botherd to read the rule book..[the NEW testiment...bring the NEW covenant]...

but then again they are but children..in their faith[..oh we of little faith]..trusting others to read the TEST-i meant..for us..then whine..when..we get as we earn

Master (or whoever you are today),

By now you should be wondering about your continual pattern of thinking and saying something outrageous (your party trick) that gives normal, sane people a window into your strange, threatening world of BPD. Upon noticing how some start at your weird 'take' of the world, you then have to weave a cover story which is often far from convincing.

It is impossible for you to accept but be assured that the young Christian missionaries who knock on your door are not there to plot against you or otherwise bring you down.

BTW, how could you ever have become a "Scouts Master" (your claim, heh, heh) if you didn't take the oath? Or were you fibbing at the time? Sorry, but your endless confabulation dogs you.

None of the Christians I have come across have ever harmed me and all have wished me well. Most volunteered moral support without asking and without knowing what my needs might be. We have used church facilities, given without strings and where necessary at a peppercorn fee. I am continually heartened by the unselfish giving and sacrifice of Christians, who care for the dregs of life while others walk by. I am proud to do voluntary work with them, while full knowing that my commitment is often shamefully not as strong and certainly never as ongoing as theirs.

Master, you cannot leave or forgive your past - which is a pity because the Lord's Prayer contains within it the most simple and effective advice that if taken can release people from the torment of recriminations and personal baggage (which your life must be full of). Simply put, forgive and forget. That means forgiving yourself first, then your parents (difficult for you?) so you can do it for others. Bargain!

Other than that, I sincerely wish you the peace that has consistently escaped you. You would not believe that of course.

Belly you obviously haven’t met enough people.[smile]

Right now I don’t hate anyone and I don’t look for anyone to hate but wow, tell ya, someone gives me reason and it is a pretty full on emotion and I’ll embrace it with the whole of my being.

It is often unsustainable though and energy sapping and usually winds down to a complete and absolute denial of another’s existence.

Do I love to hate? Yeah, and to date it has been individuals only.

Looking back I believe they were worthy of it at the time and probably damn lucky I don't own a gun.

Easy explanation.Basically we are all very insecure beings.Pecking order is very important to security,so we have a nasty habit of making others feel inferior in order to secure our own social status.Hence in our own mind's eye we think we are better than those whom we have endeavoured to subjugate.

Study the Chimps,nothing much has really changed.We are just a little more sophisticated in how we seek dominance of others to feel more secure.

I will from here on in this topic ignore Cornflower, who is here as a TROLL in this topic. Under One God, do you deny that Jesus has ever said that non believers will go to hell? Do you deny that the Christian God will send people to hell who don't believe in, and worship, the Christian God? I know it's hard for you to do so, but please try to give a "straight" answer.

Master, "I will from here on in this topic ignore Cornflower, who is here as a TROLL in this topic."

That is so much rubbish, your manner is as usual, confrontational, combative, baiting and abusive, betraying your lack of respect for other respondents and determination to hijack the thread for more of your tiresome adolescent rants.

Re-read what you wrote.

Ahh, he "thought" he'd get in without a reply.

You see, if Master replies, it means Master has broken his word. And if Master doesn't reply it means Cornflower is free to TROLL on regardless. So Cornflower thinks he's won no matter what happens. This is what it's all about for him "WINNING". TRUTH, is irrelevant to him.

The fact that disproportionately large numbers of Thugby League players behave badly both on and off the field is something he ignores. The fact that Antiwomen's NRL conspiracy theory regarding the NRL and Channel 9 management has been discredited is something he ignores.

Instead he TROLLS about someone's identity because he sees that as an opportunity to "WIN".

Cornflower, in the latter parts of this topic has become a - - - -

TROLL.

My above post was meant for the NRL sex scandal topic. I had two topics up on the screen and accidently posted the above reply into this topic. come on now, give me a break - - - - - I've only been using computers for just over a year or so. Five years ago I thought a mouse was only something with a tail that goes "squeak squeak".

Cornflower has been TROLLING lately, I guess in order to get himself attention.

master i did a search...and the responses here are revealing...i could quote the important ones...but will leave it for you to chose..

my reading is generally/specificly..jesus didnt...actually say it..[more than one respondant noted..he had much to say..on the topic]of/hell..but not actually in the context..as you put it

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090323082757AAJonOA&cp=2

the winner/..chosen by an avowed athiest..says rev 21;8..But for the cowardly and UNBELIEVING and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars,..and i certainl,y dont think there are many of that ilk

another respondant this...<<Jesus taught more about hell than anyone else in the Word of God...Jesus described hell as an unquenchable fire (Matthew 3:12),..a place of eternal fire,..(Matthew 25:41) eternal punishment..(Matthew 25:46),..and as a place of torment, fire, and agony..(Luke 16:23-24)...Jesus taught specifically about hell many times in His ministry..(Matthew 5:22, 29-30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15,33; Mark 9:43-47; Luke 12:6; 16:23).>>>but notably not condeming anyone into hell

how i understand it...[after death we are free to chose to live on in love/light..[or chose to live on in hate/darkness]...it is a freechoice..in as much as thought's are open to all to know[nothing can be concealed..[there are no secrets in heaven...nor hell..thus many conciously chose..'hell'..by failure to seek to love others

that being said..hell is not as many suppose...for egsample...there is no death..in either...but there is the reality of pain/love or other sensaTIONS..

hell literally is in darkness...the so called fires are passions that consume the hell residents...[the fire cast no heat..nor light...and it is said to even burn...but..that percieved as fire is mearly passions...these pasions yet..appear to..consume those cast in[by their own kind]

that being said there are uncountable hells and heavens...those faulse believer have their hell[thoinking it heaven...murderors have their own 'hell'...murdering each other over and again for eternity...dito..all those passions..that obsess or consumed us../in this/life

think of it../..as a sorting..[of the good..from the bad/..sheep from goats/..tares from wheat].....each having..their own house/realm...in the fathers-house...some in light..others in darkness

each realm..doing that..they so loved..to be doing...here..[but..there..only able to do..to their others/peers...each loving the same..good/or bad..doing that..ONLY..unto only each-other

these clarified my understanding
http://www.angelfire.com/ne/newviews/gonewest.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ne/newviews/wsltoc.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ne/newviews/life.html

Alternatively, you could have a few roos loose in your top paddock :)

one under God

So sorry if it appeared otherwise (not that you would have taken it that way), but my last reply was to Master not you.

Hey Arjay… colonies (group/flocks whatever they are called) of monkey’s that have never come in to contact with humans have been discovered to be peace loving and do not display the same behavior as “studied” chimps etc.

The theory was around that humans when they started studying them were feeding them and this made them protective of the area and the food supply and then aggressive. They learnt from us, how cute.

But... studies have shown elephants remember past abuse and then hunt down humans and kill them, I figure that is pretty high up on the hate scale.

*Hey Arjay… colonies (group/flocks whatever they are called) of monkey’s that have never come in to contact with humans have been discovered to be peace loving and do not display the same behavior as “studied” chimps etc. *

Piper, it depends on the species, there are huge variations, even
with closely related species.

Chimps are known to patrol their boundaries and attack other
chimps from other tribes. Bonobos on the other hand, when they
meet another tribe of bonobos, they all have sex together and there
is no need for anyone to fight or hate. I guess they are too
happy and buggered :)

Yet genetically chimps and bonobos are pretty close.

So the moral of the story is "make love not war". Our primate
cousins invented it first!

Dear OUG,

Why do we love to hate others?
Not everybody does - and perhaps 'hate,'
is too strong a word as other posters
have pointed out.

Most prejudices are based on
ignorance and fear, and the malignant thought form
that 'other people are the problem.'
Many people think that their way is the right
way and that people that are 'different,' are bad.

Malice and intolerance has always stalked society.

The only way to change things - is to check
the 'hatred,' in our own minds. Our thoughts must
shift away from the infantile finger-pointing that
seems to pervade so much of our society. Whether we're
a malignant or a healing force is up to each of us -
on a moment by moment basis. With every thought we
decide whether to place the blame on others. Either
we clean up the anger, or eventually the anger will
overwhelm us.

Yabby:"Chimps are known to patrol their boundaries and attack other
chimps from other tribes. Bonobos on the other hand, when they
meet another tribe of bonobos, they all have sex together and there
is no need for anyone to fight or hate. I guess they are too
happy and buggered :)"

I think my flatmates in the '80's were indeed part Bonobos.

TPP now do not miss judge me jewely, I am an alpha male, getting on a bitbut still.
Short fused quite likely to anger but hate?
No not truly , hate is a very strong word, think about it.
I deal with grubs, true nasties daily, and some times with the very best people.
I must understand the difference, almost instantly, both types can at first look like the other.
May once, younger and different I may have hated for a second, whack some one? yes but hate? no sorry.
Worth noting my worst enemy, his worst enemy , is a sibling, and watching him has told Me blind hate is a waste.

“TPP now do not miss judge me jewely, I am an alpha male, getting on a bit but still.
Short fused quite likely to anger but hate?
No not truly, hate is a very strong word, think about it.”

Yeah I know, and it has a whole different energy than anger which is useful in short bursts and comes with the adequate but short lived chemicals.

Hate still takes a lot of energy and needs settling in to something else after too long or at least put on a backbench until an opportunity arises.

“…blind hate is a waste.”

Totally agree, I definitely gather all facts and information before embracing the emotion.

The Pied Piper,
"I definitely gather all facts and information"
My friend are you sure that are valid? Do you know under what conditions they are created, are you sure that what we consider as good or bad have the same meaning in different conditions?
My friend this world is not so simple as it seems and the data we gather it is not easy to understand.
While we think we have the facts and the information in our hands, we just found that NOW we started to understand that we did not start yet to colect information and facts, we do not know yet why we want to collect the information and facts, we do not know yet how to collect them and finaly we do not know what to do all this information and facts, what they realy mean and how to use them.
While my friend we think we have all the info we need and we know everything at the end may be we find that we know nothing or very little!
The Pied Piper
This world is more complex than it seems and human beings are not opened book!
Personaly I prefer to do small, small steps, to examine the first basic data, understand it in some degree and do the next step etc. If we have huge info and facts and we ignore some very basic things then probably we will make serious mistakes!
Some times people, even the most honest and fair one make big mistakes because they ignore some things, because they see that this planet is flat!
Most times the important thing is not what we see but what we do not see, what we do not suspect or understand, what we underestimate.
While the sun rise always from the same site human behave, human goals, human dreams and hopes are more complex, more dark, more difficult to detect, recognise and understand..
I trust more my insticts, my experiences, my thoughts and my heart.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

I hate people who eat with their mouths open
I hate people who use petrol lawn mowers
I hate middle-aged conservatives
I hate lying bureaucrats
I hate live exports
I hate those who profit from live exports
I hate eco-vandals
I hate the robber who tortured my dog
I hate rapists and paedophiles
I hate religion
I hate swindlers - Alan Bond and Bernie Madoff?
I hate corrupt industry lobbyists
I hate cowardly MPs who vote along party lines - that’d be most of them!

Hmmmmm? That’ll do for now………blind hate with eyes wide open!

Crikey Protagoras have you been inside my head?

Although my burglars just robbed me and left my pets alone (although they were scared of men ever since).

Anyway, on thinking about the word "hate". I think my feelings towards the list you copied from my mind, are more about anger, powerlessness, injustice, impotence to change any of it.

I know I am easily triggered by bullies, do I hate them? On reflection I have found most bullies to be emotionally deficient, arrogant instead of confident, greedy rather than passionate. I wind up feeling sorry for them, because I might have my faults and problems, but I am not an arrogant, exploitative, greedy bully.

Cheers dears.

Protagoras, Fractelle
In the past I was not good enouph with both of you.
I saw your "mask" and I thought it was your seoul! Last days I disconerd your delicate, sensitive, fine seoul. I am vert sorry.
Protagoras we can not chande the wolrd with our hate but ONLY with our love, Only the love can give us the strength to carry succeessfuly our cross, to pay the cost it is needed to change our world.
Let's leave the winds and the storms to take our hate, let's convert our tears to bricks with which we will build a better world.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Hey Fractelle and Ant

The winds of love and peaceful protests have seen the arrogant, exploitative, greedy bullies take over and they're out of control.

Well my hateful "wooden leg" tells me we should go get the bastards -me and Fido in the gopher and you guys can borrow the walking stick! Yay!

Protagoras
The fighting is very diferent from the hating!
With the fighting we have a chance to win to make the necessary
You can pass your meseges much easier if you speak for specific problems and MOST IMPORTANT if you suggest the right solusions! It means first detect a sharp, wide social problem, analyze and find solusions of the problem, You must always have in your mind that in your solusion must compine the maximum benefits to the minimum cost! People want the mostbenefits but they are not ready to pay any cost!
Politicians prefer to promise many, give litle and all these for no cost on the voters! They transfer the problems to the next generations!
If you have money and good relations with the mass media then you have good chances to make the black ,white win votes!
You can not change anything if you are not at least a senator and the governing part needs your vote!
Hoooohhhhh you must to learn the very basics.
Migrants, women and older people can sent you to the parliament!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

My dear Ant

Two of my immediate family members became honourable members of parliament. The last one, I sent on a mission - to fix the bastards. Prior to that, I handed out how to vote cards, nailed flyers to shop windows, went doorknocking for months, engaged in endless meetings, lunches and dinners, cooked breakfast for the crew at 4am on election day, rushed to the polling booth to grab the most prominent ground position and joyfully imbibed at the victory parties in the evening where everyone wanted to be my friend.

What a waste of time that was!

"Hoooohhhhh Ant, you must to learn the very basics my dear boy."

Protagoras
haaaaa! My friend now is your turn! The problem with MPs and Senators is that most of them are weaks! Their name or their money play the main role for their elections or their relatives like you who worked hard for them. Can you tell me what big fights they gave for people's rights, for women rights, against corruption, against big corporations? Nothing! We forgot what is fight, we forgot what is justice, we forgot our people!
We have problems protagora, our democraticy is weak, the parties are beaurocratic organizations, which care more for their own benefits than to solve people's problems.
The parties lost long time ego their contact with our society, with their voters. The mass media are very strong, they create the public opinion, they control the voters!
People have no chance to change things, from Liberals to Labors, not big difference betewen them, not visible lines between them, no guarding borders between Liberals and ALP.
I trust and support women than men, women are more sensitive, and credible than men, they still feel some respect and some
shame, they stll continue to say the things with their name.
Why madam you did not fight to become MP? I am sure you could be a good one! Why did not you press your relatives to realize their promises?
IF MY FRIEND I WAS IN NSW OR VICTORIA then I will be a candidate for the senate and if elected a HARD ONE, A FIGHTER ONE but in Adelaide there are not many migrants!
Can you be a candidate for MP or senate? DO IT! I am sure you will do more improvments than your relatives!
And never say what you hate, keep it inside, cover it, forget it, until to use it!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Ahhh, one under god old son still at it i see, here's your narcissistic mate Blackwattle back on line.
I read your post and jesus man you go on, so why do we love to hate one another, human nature old chap.
We are still at the stage of our evolution with our knuckles dragging on the ground, we may kid ourselves we are civilised, but as you outlined so elegantly in your subject, it speaks for its self.
Mind you there are millions of wonderful human beings on the planet, we must be fair about this who have risen above their base nature so its all a question of balance.
I assume the name you chose indicates you are one of those wonderful human beings that has been enlightened, therefore you would know under the divine plan everything is as it should be and will work its self out in the end.
So returning to your question, "why do we love to hate one another."
Got me buggered, so i will keep on ducking and weaving.

yeah bw..i know it all works out in the end...but we can take the high road or the low road...depending if we see a new road...or rather the choice of seeing it..remains with us..doing the journey

i just feel..i should be trying to give back..as was fore-given me...we can chose to hang low..as long as we like...but till we learn to see better..we cant chose to do better

hate teaches us..that hate dont work...it is mearly blaming others for things..we hate in ourselves...

i supose i could pretend...go out and ignore the vile...chose to ignore..that we each chose to incarnate at this time..for higher reason...but..can only do as im chosing to do...to stop would make me feel guitly..for not trying harder...

i got a lot of negative karma...that is better balanced here and now...by doing as i hope best serves us each getting the easy pass into the next levels of being...

i wish others had tried harder to wake me up...earelier..so push myself to try harder...but everything in its time...in the end its our own freechoice...im living mine...enjoy that your living yours

you know the wattle is in bloom..[here]...thanks for being more than a name...cheers eh...

Right on Ant – you have your finger on the pulse and yes, you're not the first to suggest that I stand for parliament – heaven forbid. I imagine I would have spent more time out of the House than in it, cooling my heels in the corridors for being in contempt of parliament. Mavericks are out – timidity’s in!

Perhaps I have much to learn, however, I believe democracy is diminished by the present party system whereby, if a politician challenges party policy, the powerful party lobbyists can ensure that he loses pre-selection next time ‘round. Therefore, when a constituency initially votes a candidate into parliament, they are denied the opportunity to vote him in or out, the second time round.

On the other hand, I am reminded of federal politician, Dennis Jensen, member for Tangney WA, who lost pre-selection prior to the 2007 elections. Personally, I was delighted; however, Yellowcake Johnny intervened and overturned the state council’s decision, thus exacerbating this farcical process. As a consequence he was returned to parliament by the constituency but rightly so in my opinion since the decision was made by the constituents and not the party powerbrokers. Of course this democratic process had nothing to do with Yellowcake Johnny's motives!

Last month, Jensen again lost pre-selection however, he ain’t got little Johnny to intervene this time!

Meanwhile, we have politicians interfering with the judicial process, state and federal governments gagging academics, senior bureaucrats ignoring ministerial determinations, senior bureaucrats feeding ignorant ministers spin and politicians gagged by the party hierarchy.

The common public good is constantly neglected by ignorant and greedy governments in favour of done deals but society also has a fundamental duty to ensure that government decisions benefit the masses and not the favoured few.

Alas, the apathy, indifference and/or avarice of society is responsible for the status quo, therefore, we will continue to reap only what we’ve sown.

Now Ant......who else should I place on my Hate list.......hmmmm?

I don’t think we love to hate, it’s just that we are terrific at rationalising our position on anything. Whatever the conviction may be it was developed over time; perhaps it began as a prejudice, or in response to some stimulation. Over time, especially in our media saturated world, a great deal of bolstering material is selectively accumulated that validates the bias. It most likely validates nothing of course; it probably doesn’t even stack up against the contrary view, but that doesn’t matter because people are capable of incredible feats of rationalisation. As we’ve seen repeatedly in different threads, people rarely change tack; they will cling to their beliefs without a shred of evidence and in the face of the most compelling arguments. Sadly, usually these ironclad views are self-seeking, self-aggrandising and utterly intolerant. And this is where the hate comes in; people are so convinced of the rightness of their position. Ultimately it gets blown up into a sanctimonious matter of good against evil. I can’t stand patriots. Johnson said patriotism was the last refuge of a scoundrel, but I agree with Gore Vidal, who said it was the first! It irks me therefore that a clown in my area has a dirty great flag pole and the Aussie flag atop. I’d like to fly the Aboriginal flag just to get up his nose! Can you imagine the hate that would be unleashed then?
We hate each other from prejudice; from an unflinching conviction of the rightness of our own position; and from intolerance of anyone else’s.
Sadam Hussein went to his grave, I'm sure, without the slightest notion that he'd ever done wrong.
Alas, each one of us is a potential dictator.

ahh sqeer's sadman insane wasnt hung
he had perfect teeth...the dopple ganger that was hung had bad teeth
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=gd&q=Sadam+Hussein+not+hanged+bad+teeth&hl=en-GB&rls=MEDA,MEDA:2008-36,MEDA:en-GB

there is much more to the story of course..but we must be carefull not to simply hate..because the media gives us the info to hate...no babies got chucked out of no incubators either...but we need to do our own researches...not just blindly hate..when the media says hate

foreignors arnt taking our jobs..either