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Now to Compensate for Slavery

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Hmmm, now in Samoa a lot of time will cover how much compensation will
be paid to the descendants of Slaves. Also how to calculate the amount.
One thing I notice that there is no idea of asking the primary slave
traders to pay anything.
In Africa the slaves were captured by neighboring tribes and
transported to the coastal slave markets.
Also many Europeans were captured by Arab slave traders and sold mainly
in Nth African slave markets, and remember the Barbary Pirates ?
They were still taking crews and passengers off ships right up till the
20th Century and some are still in business.
They did not stop until the US Navy turned up and told the Emir "Stop Now or Else !"
There were about one million European slaves taken all through the
Mediterranean from around Britain and even from Iceland !
Blondes apparently fetch the highest prices.
The Slav people of Europe and Russia were also raided for people and
this is why the people of those Balkan countries are known as Slavs.
The Romans also took slaves from anywhere.

So who is going to take up all their cases and how will their
dependents be compensated and who will do the calculation ?
That all points out the absurdity of it all.
Posted by Bezza, Friday, 25 October 2024 12:13:51 PM
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As Western culture gets weaker and weaker, thanks to our gutless politicians, these stunts about compensation for slavery we were never involved in, to "climate change" we have no responsibility for, will become more common. The only people who can put a stop to it are voters.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 26 October 2024 6:29:18 PM
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Not just those places you mention Bezza. There are any number of nations who would or should pay reparations if such foolishness ever eventuated.

The vast majority of black slaves went to the Middle East rather than the Americas. Or more precisely a majority were sent in that direction but large numbers perished on the journey or died as a result of the Muslim practice of castrating the male slaves. A practice that resulted in death rates of up to 50%.

Of course, the Mongols took enormous numbers of slaves during their two centuries of rule.

India had enormous numbers of slaves right up to the point the Brits arrived. As did the Chinese.

The Aztec and Incas were essentially slave societies although many of those slaves were executed in the most grisly of fashions to appease the various gods.

The AmerIndians took slaves prior to the arrival of Columbus and continued to do so for centuries thereafter, especially after the introduction of the horse allowed some tribes to exert power over vast areas.

Aboriginals kept their women in effective states of slavery and sold them to Chinese traders long before Cook arrived and to whalers after contact.

Slavery is the norm in human society. It existed everywhere and always through recorded history and very probably long before that. The last two hundred years where slavery is abolished to some extent and abhorred by most peoples, is an anomaly in human history.

Yet the ignorant know only about white on black slavery over the past half a millennium. They should be ignored or gently educated, although I suspect most are ineducable.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 27 October 2024 11:11:44 AM
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Hi Bezza,

In September 1952 West Germany agreed to pay Israel 3 billion.
Furthermore, Holocaust survivors continue to receive restitution
payments to this day. From 1945 to 2018 Germany paid over 86
billion to these survivors.

We're told that the Allies took about $413 million worth of
reparations (both in money and goods) from their occupation
zones. In 1952 the London Agreement on German External Debts
assessed the final reparation figure at $3 billion.

The final payment was made on 3 October 2010 - settling German
loan debts in regard to reparations.

It's easier to obtain reparations when the event occurred
within living historical memory. It's also easier when there's
only a relatively few identifiable perpetrators. And it's
also easier when there's a limited number of victims and the
event occurred within a short period of time.

Some survivors of the Holocaust are still alive and the event
is within living historical memory. The main perpetrator -
Germany - is well known.

By contrast, more than 12.5 million Africans were shipped
across the Atlantic over more than 300 years. And the number
is even greater if we count those killed. None of these
victims are still alive and the historical memory is far
more distant.

However there's more at the following:

http://theconversation.com/holocaust-victims-get-reparations-so-why-not-descendants-of-trans-atlantic-slavery-164478
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 27 October 2024 1:00:06 PM
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Well Foxy, one way to calculate the charge would be to take the average wage of black US citizens, take the average wage of Congo citizens and make the US ones pay the difference times 300 years.
You can make up hundreds of formulas to satisfy them all.
Posted by Bezza, Sunday, 27 October 2024 3:51:56 PM
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" more than 12.5 million Africans were shipped
across the Atlantic over more than 300 years."

The vast majority of that number went to South America and the Caribbean. Less than 5% went to what would become the USA. But the US is the one being told to pay up. Good luck getting money out of Brazil where the majority went.

"And the number
is even greater if we count those killed. "

The 12.5 million figure includes those who died enroute.

BTW less than 25% of the total were carried on British ships. Good luck getting money out of the Iberians who carried more than half of the Atlantic slaves.

Britain and the USA are being targeted to pay up because they've got the money and the hope is they have governments dopey enough to buy the warm inner glow of spending other people's money.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 27 October 2024 5:15:26 PM
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