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The chutzpah of the Catholic Church : Comments

By Asher Lipner, published 21/8/2009

The Catholic Church should be ashamed of itself after the exposure of its tolerance of pedophile priests.

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Firstly, the author of this 'attack' should get his facts right. Pope Benedict did not appoint Bishop Williamson who denies the Holocaust.
The Bishop was appointed by the schismatic Society of Pius X.
Secondly, whilst the German and other Nazis operated in Catholic countries, just what could the local priests do ?they did not collaborate and in most cases assisted as far as they were able without losin thier own heads which would serve no purpose.
Thirdly, for a people who were persecuted themselves and clandestinly took physical refuge in a country belonging NOT to them, the Israeli Jews are no example of moral living in regard to their neighbours whose lands they appropriated in the name of money.
Posted by wubble you, Friday, 21 August 2009 11:20:11 AM
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In view of the on-going stream of revelations re catholic (and indeed other christian denominations) priests and pedophilia, it is a complete mystery to me as to why any conscientious parent would let their children anywhere near a faith-based school or a church of any denomination whatsoever. As if the mental abuse is not bad enough without added physical brutality as well, if indeed there is any real difference between the two.
Clerical pedophilia has been going on for years and will continue as long as the clergy maintain a totally unnatural lifestyle, and are supported in their irrational self-proclaimed position as 'keepers of the public morality', whilst enjoying unfettered access to children.
Posted by GYM-FISH, Friday, 21 August 2009 1:23:54 PM
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Looking at histories of the Catholic Church in Australia and around the world, it looks as though paedophilia has been treated as a company perk.

The only comandment they have paid attention to is the eleventh:

"Thou shalt not get caught."

Who else would want to join a men's club where you can't have relations with a woman and dress up in frocks?

When I see a catholic priest, the first question that springs to mind is "Is he bent?"
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 21 August 2009 1:42:27 PM
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There seems a lot of emotional manipulation in this article. It seems to me that the author is using the plight of child abuse victims to promote his own agenda against the Catholic Church in particular and in favour of Jewish ‘victimhood’ in general.

This is just another type of abuse.

If the author is concerned about child abuse he would keep a sense of proportion about his criticisms. Child sexual abuse, as he says is not the sole domain of the Catholic clergy. He acknowledges it in other churches as well. It is rife throughout society. It happens in private homes a lot more than it does in church situations. The most common perpetrator is the father of the victim. If he is really concerned about child sexual abuse he should focus his attention where most of it takes place.

Why does he feel the need to draw parallels with the Holocaust? Is it not a bad enough thing in its own right or is it his real aim to keep the holocaust before people’s attention.

“Furthermore, every Jewish person has a biblical obligation to speak out for children’s safety.”
If that is the reason why he speaks out then it is the wrong reason. He speaks out not because of a genuine sense of justice and concern for children but because of an obligation. Many other people fight for the rights of children because it is natural to do so. They do not need to be told. People who act out of religious motivation must always have suspicion cast upon their motives. When they write articles like these which single out a particular group one must question their real motive. It does nothing to fix the problem and tells us nothing new. Everyone who abuses a child should be dealt with by the law and a great deal is being done for victims of abuse. To use the issue for nothing else than promoting your own personal agenda makes you a perpetrator of taking advantage of other people’s suffering.
Posted by phanto, Friday, 21 August 2009 2:37:45 PM
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Phanto,
I doubt anyone would disagree with your assertion and the author's about child sexual abuse not being the sole preserve of RC priests.

However, Priests especially RC priests are held out as Jesus' representatives by the RC church to their flocks. That is where the difference and I mean huge difference lies.

Their resposibility to protect the most vulnerable in society is well recorded in scripture with Jesus' most severe words of warning to anyone who hurts a child.
Posted by Ninja, Friday, 21 August 2009 3:23:39 PM
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As a 'religious' man and child 'advocate' perhaps you should be more concerned with children like Mohammed al-Dura being shot dead in cold blood by Jewish soldiers rather than preaching to us about the Catholic church.

And if you want to play that game where you pretend to have higher morals than the rest of us because of the holocaust then perhaps you could start by telling us what Jews have done for non-Jewish victims of child abuse, or non-Jewish victims of anything for that matter. Christians have a proud history of helping people in need; Jews, it seems, have a proud history of helping Jews.

Hey, but at least you got in a mention of Jewish victimhood.
Posted by dane, Friday, 21 August 2009 6:10:18 PM
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