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Employees enter a new era of rights : Comments

By Sharan Burrow, published 9/7/2009

Sharan Burrow pronounces the last rites on Work Choices

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Wow, all these great terms and conditions! A bloke would have
to be a fool, to start his own business and employ people. Best to
just get on the gravy train and suck those employers dry for every
cent!

Eventually it might dawn on some, or perhaps it won't, that for
every job out there, somebody has to take a risk, invest and
create it. Small business is still the lifeblood of the economy
and when enough people fold their arms and decide that its simply
not worth the risk, the union movement will no doubt be screaming
for the Govt to use taxpayer funds for job creation schemes,
as unemployment rises. All quite predictable really.

Personally I don't blame any bloke with a good idea, if he simply
takes it offshore
Posted by Yabby, Thursday, 9 July 2009 11:35:36 AM
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Yes the Unions rule, yes they won.

Now anyone who wants to start or expand a business will think twice because their risk has just increased and the "workers" still carry no risk, their houses not on the line should the business fail, no responsibility at all.

Anyone with any sense will stay out of business or keep their business small so they don't run into the bullying hordes. The unions don't care about small business, they look after members, who tend to work in the big sites, mines, construction, public service, teaching and health.

There is some momentum in business right now that will keep things running for a while in the Unions favor, but then it will run down. Banks and other institutions will simply see the risks as too great to invest or fund here. There will be whining and blame in all directions.

This is not a good place to run a business, the rights of a person taking a risk to start or run a business are sneered at and not looked after or nurtured.

Most of us will wait for a swing of the pendulum the other way. Collective bargaining has always been and always will be a form of bullying.

Will you, Sharon, be going off to the UN now to withdraw all your complaints about Australia now that you've seen off the evil empire and installed your own puppet government? Perhaps hatred of PM Howard and his government has blinded you to the way the community actually functions.
Posted by rpg, Thursday, 9 July 2009 1:18:14 PM
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Oh please, you pair!

We are simply going PART of the way back to where we were before King Johnny took the the throne and still the world is going to end according to you two.

So if any bloke has a good idea he should take it overseas - presumably to a country with poverty level wages, harsh and expoitative working conditions,no such thing as occupational health and safety but oh so cheap and readily disposable labour?

Says a fair bit about you Yabby.

I think making that
Posted by Fozz, Thursday, 9 July 2009 1:45:00 PM
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Fozz - we've gone back to way before PM (King Johnny if you like to be derogatory) Howard took over to way before PM Hawke and Keating took over.

Again hatred of PM Howard blinds you all, the changes in IR started with PM Hawke and the Accord, remember that?

Probably don't want to because it's easier to have class hatred, ALP born and bred eh?

Clearly not a business owner.

Still nurturing hatred that the Unions want you to, god it's so easy for the Unions and ALP to spin you all up isn't it?
Posted by rpg, Thursday, 9 July 2009 2:33:52 PM
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People start businesses because they want to maximise their profit. The risks come with the territory, and neither governments nor workers are obliged to screw themselves in order to help employers scrape a few more pennies together.

After Australians comprehensively rejected WorkChoices, we still get this laughable sob story about the poor, altruistic employers who can't get a single child to crawl down a flooded coal mine without those awful unions getting in the way.

The West tried WorkChoices. Pick up a copy of a Dickens novel and you can read all about the utopia it created, and thank your lucky stars that you live in a country where the rights and safety of employees is protected by the same unions that you like to crap all over.
Posted by Sancho, Thursday, 9 July 2009 3:44:13 PM
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Well sharon, I read the first few paragraphs and thought 'what a load of crap'!

You state that the new laws will protect workers rights that have suposadly been errodded in the past decade.

Now if tradies (PAYE) earning upwards of 100K per year is your example of 'poor working conditions', then you are on another planet my dear.

I just hope you and your lot are there in a few years to face the music when the wheels fall off. And beleive me, they will. As the previous posters have said, small business will simply STOP EXPANDING and it will be your fault and your fault alone.

Just one more point. How is it that an employee can just up and leave if they get a better offer, yet an employer is breaking the law if they do the same?

And you say you want a fairer system.

Well all you labor voters, you got your wish, now suffer the consequences!
Posted by rehctub, Thursday, 9 July 2009 8:25:25 PM
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