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Changing Australia Day : Comments

By Andrew Bartlett, published 28/1/2009

Calls to change Australia Day are manna from heaven for radio shock jocks and history warriors: it’s no surprise Kevin Rudd wants to shut down debate.

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rainier "Can you name at least 1?"

Yes
Posted by Col Rouge, Thursday, 5 February 2009 3:16:22 PM
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I came across this while surfing the web.

Enjoy:

"Yes...I am the liberal-progressives worst nightmare.
I am an American.
I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family,
not some liberal governmental functionary, be it
Democratic or Republican.
I'm in touch with my feelings and I like it that way.
I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer, it
makes you a smart American.
I think being a minority does not make you noble or
victimized, and does not entitle you to anything.
I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac,
do it in English.

My heroes are John Wayne, Roy Rogers, Maggie Thatcher,
and whoever cancelled Jerry Springer.
I believe if you don't like the way things are here,
go back to where you came from and change your own
country! This is AMERICA.

If you were born here and don't like it you are free
to move to any Socialist country that will have you.
...I am proud to be an AMERICAN!"

I love this guy!
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 5 February 2009 7:41:47 PM
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HI FOXY !

It was nice meeting you. I enjoyed your company on this debate.

We may not have succeeded in changing the course of history but at least we pointed in the direction we thought it should go.

And I am glad to see we were not alone. Many others walked beside us.

Our good companion, Col Rouge, played an active role in helping us formulate our ideas and opinions. His personal contribution was an excellent example of the added value of a minority point of view in a democratic society.

“Now Isaac was a squatter man, and Jacob was his son,
And when the boy grew up, you see, he wearied of the run.
You know the way that boys grow up – there’s some that stick at home;
But any boy that’s worth his salt will roll his swag and roam.”

Take care …
Posted by Banjo Paterson, Thursday, 5 February 2009 11:53:39 PM
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@ COL ROUGE


"When all the objectives of government include the achievement of equality - other than equality before the law - that government poses a threat to liberty.” (Margaret Thatcher)

I presume the “iron lady” was referring to the government of the Soviet Union. In any event, it seems to me that if “the law” of the country were unjust, a dictatorial government (such as that of the Soviet Union) would pose a threat to liberty irrespective of whether the matter in hand related to “equality before the law” or not.

I think you will agree that Margaret Thatcher was a pragmatist. She probably would have said exactly the opposite if it had better served her purpose. She is known for numerous outlandish statements.

She had a tough job breaking the stranglehold the syndicates had on the British economy at the time. They were choking it to death.

A right wing conservative, she implemented liberal economic policies. Baroness Thatcher was a firm believer in God and the royalty. She survived an IRA bomb attack and joined forces with Ronald Reagan in (successfully) defending western democracy against Soviet communism.

She said (in one of her more inspired moments):

“Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where
there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope.”

She is a truly remarkable lady but, I dare to suggest, within her historical context in the UK.
Posted by Banjo Paterson, Friday, 6 February 2009 8:50:24 AM
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Dear Banjo Patterson,

Thank you so much for your kind words.

I too have enjoyed this discussion with you and
others on this thread, and I have learned a great
deal from it.

Hopefully we'll continue to meet and learn from each
other. Your style of posting is truly inspiring.

All The Best,
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 6 February 2009 9:40:03 AM
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Bushbred “Col Rouge. . . part of not only the Master Race, but better still, the Klu Klux Klan.”

Why?

Nothing I have said aligns with KKK or being a member of some “master race”, quite the opposite.

If you can muster the attention span to read all of my individual or collective posts, you will see

where the KKK demand to preserve the differences between people based on their ethnicity or religion (KKK did not like Jews or Catholics any more than the “master race” did)

What I have posted supports the notion that people should be treated all as equal and we should stop treating some section of the population of Australia differently, because they happen to be of a particular ethnicity.

That is the OPPOSITE of KKK and master race thinking.

So you are WRONG YET AGAIN

Banjo Paterson “His personal contribution was an excellent example of the added value of a minority point of view in a democratic society”

Oh I agree Banjo, I have always believed a democracy like Australia, is made of 22 million minorities, each of one.

Margaret Thatcher held and expressed similar views and I agree she was a pragmatist and the life of high politics, her chosen sphere of excellence, would be far better for more of them and fewer of the wishy-washy emotional theorists and guilt ridden cripples of the left.

“other than equality before the law “ - “I presume the “iron lady” was referring to the government of the Soviet Union. “

No. She was referring to the very risks from a future UK labour party government (whose manifesto, at that time, was more left wing than the Italian communists).

Banjo, I do hold Margaret Thatcher in great esteem. That is in part due to living through the chaotic slide, toward the abyss, of UK in the years before she came into her Prime Ministership.

Most of us need to believe in our leaders.

I still believe and share in the core values which were the foundation of Margaret Thatcher’s pragmatism and always will.
Posted by Col Rouge, Friday, 6 February 2009 2:41:26 PM
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