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Forcing compliance : Comments

By Michael Cook, published 27/10/2008

Victoria's Abortion Law Reform Bill decriminalises abortion and forces doctors with conscientious objections to refer women to doctors who will do abortions.

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Dear Human Interest,
Yes, you are right, "There is a lot of help and assistance out there", australian society has evolved, i was retro-thinking to the time when there was no help, women HAD to give their husband their "marital rights", and it was up to the women to not "FALL pregnant", which, with a "spontaneous" husband was not easy.

Perhaps more pre-marital counselling would help to prevent the "necessity" for abortions. Perhaps, being made aware of the responsibilities of husband-hood (?) some would choose celibacy ..

Don't make it "illegal", but don't casualise it to the point where it would replace prevention just for the man's better pleasure.
Posted by Henriette, Thursday, 30 October 2008 8:25:02 AM
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Well... the topic is not about whether abortion is right or wrong, ethical or unethical.
The question is whether medical staff should be forced to (help) perform abortions or not when abortion is legal.

I'm really interested in finding out other's opinions about that.
Posted by Celivia, Thursday, 30 October 2008 3:22:21 PM
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Dear Celivia, Having seen documentaries of surgical abortions, no, i don't think that anyone should be compelled to watch or take part in vivisection. Are there not specialised clinics where the staff know, before they apply for employment, what the work will entail ?

Dear Human Interest : "she deliberately got pregnant against the husband's wishes it is pretty dishonest of her, she should either abort or leave because she doesn't respect her partner's wishes anyway. Why should he have a baby forced upon him when he clearly did not want one? He has a right to feel aggrieved. Women should not force babies upon men, within a marriage or not."
Do you mean that wives rape husbands ? "baby forced upon him" ?
Posted by Henriette, Friday, 31 October 2008 8:19:08 AM
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Hi Henriette,
You said:
"Are there not specialised clinics where the staff know, before they apply for employment, what the work will entail?"
In cities and towns, yes. There should be little problem finding access to safe abortion there.

But what about the women who live in small country towns or remote areas with no access to such clinics in their area? That's a bit of a conundrum.

These towns can have difficulty attracting and retaining doctors, these areas can't afford to be picky.
Doctors who are obliged to refer a woman may not have anywhere to refer her to in that area.

Do we force these women to travel to distant clinics/hospitals or do we force doctors to perform abortions?
And if we do expect women to travel, do we compensate them or do we expect poor women to somehow come up with this money?
And will women, who cannot afford to travel, resort to illegal, unsafe abortions, risking their lives?

Also, at least for some women, it might be hard to get away from home- some women will need to keep their abortion a secret from others.
Posted by Celivia, Friday, 31 October 2008 3:50:09 PM
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Henriette,

I'm sorry, I'm having difficulty following you - are you retro-thinking or talking of today?

Anyway, life and marriage has progressed since the 50's and things are somewhat better now, although women are still fighting for the control over their own fertility and bodies.

"...Do you mean that wives rape husbands ? "baby forced upon him" ?..."

I was replying to an offered scenario of a woman being ordered to undergo an abortion and was wanting to clarify how she could have become pregnant when the father was so against it, was it accidental or deliberate?

You seem to imply that a woman has to be completely subservient to the husband's wishes by letting her husband have sex whenever he wants without question, and her taking no precautions whatsoever or saying no to him (I'm talking about today here, not the 50's).

If the husband says he does not want children, then either he or the woman should use preventative methods to avoid her getting pregnant. Surely it's not too difficult for them to communicate and come up with a decision? Same for vice versa, if the woman does not want children and he does. Unless they are both happy for a pregnancy to arise, it would be wrong for either of them in that relationship, to make no effort to avoid pregnancy.

If the husband takes no responsibilty for his own sexual actions, then it's up to the woman to refuse sex or use contraceptives if she does not wish to be confronted with an abortion request. It's not right or fair, but she is the only one who suffers the consequences.
Posted by human interest, Friday, 31 October 2008 4:35:53 PM
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Hi, Human Interest,

If avoiding pregnancy was so easy, why are there still unwanted, neglected, and even deliberately hurt children ? Sad.

Some of yesteryear problems still occur today. If a woman can't tolerate the pill, or if for "religious guilt" reasons the couple can exclusively use the rythm, "accidents" will happen.

which then leads to panic and abortion... to frigidity(hers) ... to sadism(his)... to broken marriages.. Not in the human interest, is it ?

Hi, Celivia,
Is it not still a question of "whether abortion is wrong or not" ? If it is NOT wrong, then doctors can be compelled to perform; if it IS wrong, they must not be forced to act against their conscience. ? ? ?
Posted by Henriette, Sunday, 2 November 2008 9:37:52 AM
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