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The insecurity engendered by the Security Council : Comments

By Stephen Cheleda, published 19/9/2008

The Permanent Members of the United Nations Security Council are behaving like bullies in a playground.

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Dream on,

Unless any of the major countries are prepared to cede substatial authority to the UN, the security council will continue to be toothless.

Until then the structure is largely irrelevant.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 19 September 2008 10:14:13 AM
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i presume this article is designed to pump up the author's 'publication' stat. it has no other use that i can see.

y, the world is run by power. n, complaining about the un is not useful. why not try some analysis on the abuse of power close to home?

just a hint: why is australia not a democracy?

if you figure that one out, we'll talk about the un.
Posted by DEMOS, Friday, 19 September 2008 12:06:25 PM
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Shadow Minister, you are so right that the UN is pretty well useless.

As snyone interested in political philosophy should know, the present UN is supposed to represent the doctrine of Kantianism, which is based on the principle of a World Court backed by a democratic Federation of Nations, and in which not one person alone should ever be allowed to design or dictate policy.

It proves so much how Pax Americana has bastardised Enlightenment principles, and may prove how much more could have been gained by more US humility, part of it being an admittance from George W Bush, that he could have done a better job of global manager, if he had stuck to what is known as Kantian philosophy.

Regards, BB, WA.
Posted by bushbred, Friday, 19 September 2008 7:10:08 PM
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bushbred,

I can only agree with you that the UN is pretty well useless, and that throughout its history the existence of the veto has meant that very few problems could be settled by the UN. Apart from Korea, where the UN was only able to act because Russia could not get its representatives back to New York fast enough to veto any action, the only single case that I can think of where they acted was in the First Gulf War, when all the permanent members were in agreement.

It is a sad comment on human nature that throughout the cold war the peace was preserved, not by the UN, by by the existence of a nuclear stalemate.

Anyone who thinks that a re-negotiation of the veto provisions is in any way possible should remember the 19th century ditty:

The case is clear, 'cos we have got
The Gatling Gun, and they have not.
Posted by plerdsus, Saturday, 20 September 2008 2:12:13 PM
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Thanks, Plerdus, as one going on 88, I can only wonder whether it's been worth giving away golf and gaining Honours concerning the very problems we are now not only facing in the Middle East, but also the world.

Once again I wonder what you really do think about thinkers like Immanuel Kant , who different than Hegel his Germanic Christian associate, was against feudalistic reasoning like Hegel's which not only brought us Marxism, but also Nazism. and which I am afraid is close to the doctrine not only pushed by GW Bush, but also by the the angry followers of Islam.

Either side wants superiority without either side offering to share the blame, which Kantian philosophy reveals can only be realised not by an appointed leader having last say like our American President or a typical Islamic leader, but by a genuine plebiscite or the equivalent.

Cheers, BB. WA.
Posted by bushbred, Saturday, 20 September 2008 5:09:22 PM
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I find the 'toothless-tiger' type arguments too narrow-minded.

The reason that Russia, China, France, the US and the UK have a veto power is to stop the UN from becoming involved in conflicts that are the interference in the domestic politics of a sovereign state, ie Vietnam, Latin-America in the 1980s, the plans to invade Cuba in the 1960s etc. The veto provides a balance so that the UN will only become involved in conflicts when arguments for intervention convince both Western and non-Western nations.

Interestingly, when the UN talks about reforming the Security Council, all proposed models include some nations having a veto.
Posted by Nic-Syd, Monday, 22 September 2008 1:47:16 PM
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