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Why nuclear disarmament is not enough to abolish nuclear danger : Comments

By Marko Beljac, published 16/6/2008

Abolishing nuclear weapons alone can make the world even less stable than it is.

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If Rudd’s international commission on the abolition of nuclear weapons “…will revive the work of the "Canberra Commission" on nuclear disarmament set up by former Prime Minister Paul Keating” it becomes an even bigger joke.

Who on earth remembers, or has even heard of, the Keating (another windbag) Canberra Commission?
Posted by Mr. Right, Monday, 16 June 2008 10:35:21 AM
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I admit I must agree with much of what you say serbie. Alperovitz and the revisionist theory of American atomic diplomacy appears to be quite sound. It will be interesting how the American government will utilise their supremacy in conventional weapons in the future. It strikes me that no longer will it be nuclear first strike but a conventional one. That is quite possibly followed up by a nuclear one once the CandC on the belligerent country is neutralised. Also for real change to occur in the realm of nuclear policy, would you not agree that american foreign policy (which is arguably tied to their nuclear policy) would need to drastically change. I find it doubtful that America would change its foreign policy at all. American 'exceptionalism' would not allow it.
Posted by The Militant Canadian, Monday, 16 June 2008 12:26:50 PM
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Gar Alperovitz was writing in the 1960s, when the information to refute him was all classified. The historian Richard Frank has strongly challenged his arguments on the basis of transcripts of decoded wartime Japanese communications that were released in 1995 and had not been made available to any but a handful of the most senior US military and civilian leaders during the war. Here is a summary of his argument.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/894mnyyl.asp?pg=1

Basically, the decoded messages made it clear that the militarists who ran Japan's government had no intention of surrendering, unless it was a negotiated surrender that left them in power. This left Truman with three choices: accept a negotiated surrender that left the Japanese free to rebuild and come out fighting again, this time with biological and nuclear weapons, launch a massive land invasion of the home islands with massive US (and Japanese) casualties (google Battle of Okinawa), or drop the bomb.

Believe it or not, everything bad that happens in the world is not the fault of the US. Do you seriously think that the decisions of India, Pakistan, Israel, France, Britain, etc. to acquire nuclear weapons were based on a fear of US invasion?
Posted by Divergence, Monday, 16 June 2008 3:25:56 PM
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If the reason for the abolition of nuclear weapons is flawed because the latter are the “poor man’s defense” against the preeminence of the U.S. in conventional weapons of ‘prompt global strike’ by which the U.S. will continue to dominate the world by the threat of their use against its rivals and enemies, such as N. Korea and Iran as Marko Beljak implies, then the other reason is that in the age of millenarian movements the abolition of nuclear weapons is also flawed as rogue states bristling in their apocalyptic beards, like Iran, could produce STEALTHILY nuclear weapons. In such a situation to set up an International Commission for nuclear disarmament, as Prime Minister Rudd proposes to do, is the ultimate stupidity that any one could suggest. And in the aftermath of 9/11, the magnitude of such stupidity takes astronomical dimensions. Just imagine that countries such as America, Britain, France, and especially, Israel, which could be the targets of a nuclear attack by an Islamist state or by proxies of the latter, would even consider their nuclear disarmament.

Rudd’s proposal limpidly illustrates that Australia does not have a statesman at the helm of the government but a political dilettante and a populist to boot who is more concerned to ingratiate himself with the celestial wishes of its liberal minded constituency than to deal with the geopolitical realities.

Moreover, what is rather surprising and amusing is to see that Gareth Evans is willing to underwrite such political buffoonery by accepting the chair of the International Commission for nuclear disarmament. It seems that his Tasmanian “Biggles” days are not over.

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Posted by Themistocles, Monday, 16 June 2008 5:31:37 PM
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Further I would argue that mankind cannot jump the shadow of its ‘true enemy’ ‘war itself’ as the abolition of war would entail the reinvention of man into an angelic nature. Also, the “amelioration of security” by diplomatic means and international institutions, such as Palme, in the age of millenarian movements with irrational actors, is also a flawed conception. In such circumstances nuclear or conventional disarmament is a grand illusion. Only a benign superpower or a coalition states can keep the order of the world by a combination of sticks and carrots. And in our times the United States relatively is such a benign power.

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Posted by Themistocles, Monday, 16 June 2008 5:34:51 PM
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War is part and parcel of capitalism with interludes of peace between: Because fundamentally we live in a system based on profits and what occurs is each against all. Where each state is against every other for a declining share of shrinking markets. As well, the US has the worlds largest debt which is increasing and the worlds largest military might and that is an explosive mixture with the consequences far more explosive than previous wars. The US want global hegemony starting with the control of the oil in the Middle East. As well, the fundamental and explosive contradiction is the world economy as it collides against the nation state. Generally for the majority of the ruling elite, do not want war but they get driven to war! The war was a fundamental redivision of the world whereby the US would take over much the British Empire and other countries in its quest for world hegemony in the American Century. Germany wanted to reorganise Europe under its rule and sway. Japan had its Imperial colonial sights on the South Pacific including Australia. The war was well and truly over with Japan when the atomic bombs were used.
But for workers it was a colossal catastrophe with worker shooting worker.
Posted by johncee1945, Monday, 16 June 2008 5:55:55 PM
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