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Acting on climate change - now : Comments

By Kasy Chambers, published 21/2/2008

Our convenience and self-indulgence come at a cost that most of us, by choice or indifference, casually ignore.

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Here is another one who thinks that majority opinion is OK if it suits her own dogma and ideology. The majority in this case might very well think as she wants them to because they have been brainwashed and browbeaten by a selective media carefully suppressing alternative thought because it is not sensational – does not engender fear.

Fear is the key, and it is being used more and more by politicians for whom democracy is becoming a nuisance.

Yes. The environment is changing. But, is it in ‘trouble’? Environment/climate changes occur cyclically (naturally), so there is no trouble; we just have to ride it out and learn to cope.

The change is caused by human activity. Well, that’s the opinion being pumped out by ‘environmental scientists’ looking for money, and it’s the opinion upheld by the sensationalist media and fear-mongering politicians. The suppressed opinion of equally qualified scientists is that is not caused by human action.

So, we have to make up our own minds, not blindly follow majority hysteria and help out the likes of Al Gore, billionaire and big time polluter.

The rest of the article is a plug for the author’s employer, Anglicare, and drones on about the same old impractical ‘solutions’ for trying to help people who cannot be helped.

Climate change has nothing to do with heart-string pulling.
Posted by Leigh, Thursday, 21 February 2008 10:23:04 AM
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I am not a fan of Benny Hinn but these climate change scaremongers make him look good.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 21 February 2008 10:31:36 AM
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First of all the author is just plain wrong in attributing the current problems of global worming to all mankind which is factually untrue. The problems of today happened over centuries of emmissions comming from factories in the heart of england and europe and then transfered to the rest of the world through invasion.

It is the white world and its greed that has cause this problem and it should be them in the Industrial world that grounds it to halt.

Like the cane toad the white man has spread out from his native land to invade others, and also like the cane toad he has consumed all that was available to him whilst looking for further opportunities to meet his insationable greed.

It is America and its polluting ways that will ultimitly kill the rest of us so they should start first that is if it isn't already too late now.
Posted by Yindin, Thursday, 21 February 2008 10:32:05 AM
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Again an assertion of more "wild weather".
Where are the studies that our current events are OUTSIDE the statistical norm for weather extremes.
There have been academic studies recently on the occurrence of hurricanes in the Atlantic that reach conclusions that are on either side of the AGW fence.
The science is still being debated.
The only sure thing is the the Earth cannot support the projected 9 billion people at an Australian standard of living.
Is overpopulation something that is in the "Too Hard Basket"!
Posted by Little Brother, Thursday, 21 February 2008 11:59:14 AM
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The paper by Kasy Chambers meets the criteria of “virtuous corruption.” “Virtuous corruption” is a term introduced by Professor Aynsley Kellow of University of Tasmania. [ABC Counterpoint 4-Feb 2008].

The argument goes something like this. Kasy is convinced of the “truth” of anthropogenic global warming (GW). Therefore any argument no matter how far fetched, no matter how much based on emotion rather then hard evidence can be used. The important point is to exaggerate estimates, cherry pick examples, all to gain converts and further the cause.

Kasy is not acting immorally. GW is “self evidently true.” Great will be the catastrophe, if sceptics get their way, so any action is morally justifiable.

There is an analogy with the concept of “noble cause corruption.” That is when the police are convinced of the guilt of a suspect. They take the view that it is justifiable and indeed necessary for public protection that the evidence that goes before the court is appropriately “doctored”.

For myself, I remain unconvinced of GW and thus un-corrupted by GW rants.
Posted by anti-green, Thursday, 21 February 2008 1:00:17 PM
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"So, we have to make up our own minds, not blindly follow majority hysteria and help out the likes of Al Gore, billionaire and big time polluter."

Leigh, How can you make up your own mind if you are reluctant to study the science?

If it's true, that millions of humans die each year from man-made air pollution, what makes you believe that our eco systems are immune to man-made pollution coupled with climate change?

Climate change has the potential to alter many of the Earth's natural ecosystems over the next century. Yet, climate change is not a new influence on the biosphere, so why can't ecosystems just adapt without significant effects on their form or productivity?

First, the rate of global climate change is projected to be more rapid than any to have occurred in the last 10,000 years.

Second, humans have altered the structure of many of the world's ecosystems. They have cut down forests, plowed soils, used rangelands to graze their domesticated animals, introduced non-native species to many regions, intensively fished lakes, rivers and oceans, and constructed dams.

These relatively recent changes in the structure of the world's ecosystems have made them less resilient to further changes.

Third, pollution, as well as other indirect effects of the mining and utilization of natural resources, has also increased since the beginning of the industrial revolution.

Consequently, it is likely that many ecosystems will not be able to adapt to the additional stress of climate change.

Already in WA, 362 plants, 199 native animals and 69 ecological communities are under threat from man-made interference.

"The change is caused by human activity. Well, that’s the opinion being pumped out by ‘environmental scientists’ looking for money, and it’s the opinion upheld by the sensationalist media and fear-mongering politicians" (Leigh)

That's fine Leigh. Just give us some credible link to support your accusations please and then advise us on how humans can best intervene to mitigate the effects of climate change.
Posted by dickie, Thursday, 21 February 2008 1:04:00 PM
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