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The Forum > Article Comments > Sorry to rock the boat: an immigrant’s take on immigration > Comments

Sorry to rock the boat: an immigrant’s take on immigration : Comments

By Meg Mundell, published 10/11/2005

Meg Mundell asks who decides who will be accepted as an Australian citizen and who won't.

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People.... I we need to make an important distinction between 'racism' and 'territorial security'.

Most of what is being referred to as 'racism' in regard to immigration is simply a prevailing group identifying potential threats to its social,political and cultural integrity and seeking to challenge those trends before they erupt in a volcalno of French style hostility and civil unrest.

Racism has a specific meaning" i.e. "Regarding another race as biologically inferior to ones own".

When we struggle and grapple with this area of life, we need to get OUT of this artificially constructed social 'prison' of not being able to speak about things which are 'good/bad' for our nation without worring about 'incoming' from pc or pro open-immigration people.

I am adamant and passionate, that we need to DISCRIMINATE on many levels. This is nothing more than being selective for the welfare of ones own territory.

Examples such as "Tribal mentality" + "incomapatable religion" + "Criminal Track Record"

Lets 'test' this theory in regard to one group, 'Lebanese Muslim males'.

Referring to Tim Priests account of the various goings on in Sydney's south west, we can observe the following:

1/ When an arrest is attempted of a Lebanese Muslim Male, there is a strong possibility that his extended family and associates will be quickly on the scene in large numbers and they will seek to overturn the law by
a) force of numbers
b) Threats to kill/rape wives of officers attending
c) Same as 'b' in regard to Witnesses.
d) Possibly raiding the police station in large numbers, intimidating police and threatening b and c above.
e) Seeking to kill police by drive by shootings at the Police station.

Melbourne witnessed this type of behavior just a week ago with the 'Lebanese Muslim male' thugs who attacked a Cameraman.

In the absense of other races or religions carrying out such acts in recent memory, one is drawn to the conclusion that an immigration welcome to any extended family connection to a Lebanese Muslim male who has a proclivity to crime would be a serious mistake.
Hence "Conditional Citizenship" ?
Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 26 November 2005 9:56:33 AM
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Bd, “Melbourne witnessed this type of behavior just a week ago with the 'Lebanese Muslim male' thugs who attacked a Cameraman. In the absence of other races or religions carrying out such acts in recent memory,”

lets not forget the recent Irish incident where a bloke was murdered by catholics because he disagreed with a leader of the IRA, lets not forget the amount of threats put out by this christian group. Or the beating up of a non jew in Israel by radical jews because he entered the wrong place. Then we have the death of the Aussie Jew in new York by a mob. We can also include the beatings by southern white cops on those that aren't christian. In England there are many cases of right wing christians beating up stray muslims and jews. Then we have the right wing christian Nazi's in Germany that beat up anyone, who may not agree with their views or gets in their way. Then we come to the millions of jews, Gypsies and others that were murdered by the christian Third Reich.

I really find it hard to understand how anyone can say that their religion is better than another, when they do exactly the same despotic things. The only problems that immigrates have brought to this country, is religion. From the first landing to this day, it is religion that has over seen the demise of the people of this country and others. After all, part of my family were shipped to this country because of their beliefs and life style, against their will.
Posted by The alchemist, Saturday, 26 November 2005 10:49:43 AM
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To Mr Alchemist.

At least you have to wit to comprehend that in group / out group hostility is a cultural universal and no race, creed or culture can be considered above the rest in those stakes. Some posters on this site have a bit of trouble making that connection.

But the point that David Boaz states is that within the “Australian” community a certain standard of behaviour is expected from any person, or group of persons, who aspire to be citizens of this country.

Identifiable groups of people who have a cultural (or genetic) predisposition to use violence as a first resort when dealing with personal problems are not considered to be people worthy of inclusion in our society.

The utter contempt that people of the Islamic faith (and by Muslim Lebanese in particular) have for any kind of non Muslim authority is well appreciated in the Sydney area. It is not only the NSW police who have a problem with Lebanese, the NSW Education Department can not even get teachers to work in the “troubled” South West of Sydney because of the behaviour of Lebanese Muslim boys. Teachers have been regularly assaulted, intimidated, sworn at, threatened with rape, had their cars damaged and even their houses pelted with rocks at night.

The NSW ambulance service will not go into certain streets without police protection because they are sick and tired of their ambulances being pelted with rocks. This service also changed their uniform shirts from blue to white because ambulance officers were being regularly assaulted by Lebanese and Arab boys and men who mistook them for police officers.

The events in France are hardly a surprise, given the totally unacceptable behaviour of certain immigrant groups in this country. The biggest surprise is that there are still people like yourself around finding excuses for crime prone minorities and trying to blame white society for everything.
Posted by redneck, Sunday, 27 November 2005 5:54:54 AM
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Just a quick one, Reddy,
You obviously do not live in Bankstown (the area that I assume you refer to). I'm of Anglo descent & have lived in the Bankstown area all my life. You are full of sh-t. I think I speak for many in stating that your attitudes mirror those of Hitler, the KKK & similar.
You fail to understand the problems your attitude creates. You cannot see beyond your own bias. You are sick.
Posted by Swilkie, Sunday, 27 November 2005 2:11:13 PM
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We have got you and your friends on the run again, haven’t we Mr Swilkie? I have responded to your posts with reasoned arguments which you do not have the wit to argue against. Instead you simply resort to sneery one liners, insults, and claiming that my attitudes “mirror” those of Hitler and the KKK.

Now if I remember correctly, Hitler claimed that blond, blue eyed white people are superior to every other race and that the fairer your skin, the more superior you were. I have never endorsed that view at all. I challenge you look through the archives and find any reference to me claiming that particular premise. When you do look and find that I am right, don’t forget to sign my “sorry” book. As for the KKK, I do not know much about them. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to their official philosophy so that we can compare it to my own stated views?

But I can understand your anger and frustration. For many years, naďve people such as yourself have been told that people like me are stupid. While people like yourself who claim that all races are identical in every way except skin colour, are very intelligent. You identify with the anti racists because you wish to be considered intelligent. Then you come up against people like Me, ALL, Leigh, David Boaz and several other posters, and we all just run rings around you. Your reaction is one of seething anger, the identifying mark of a not too bright immature man.

Passionate emotions like anger suppress the brains ability to think rationally, Mr Swilkie. If you really think that your position is correct, start thinking objectively and start doing some research instead of relying upon your presumed superior intellect over your opponents. Thinking that you are so smart compared to your opponents that you do not even need to try too much, has been the Waterloo of many an unprepared person. Unless you can support your view with a good argument which displays cause and effect, you have lost the debate.
Posted by redneck, Sunday, 27 November 2005 5:43:03 PM
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Reddy,
>>Identifiable groups of people who have a cultural (or genetic) predisposition to use violence as a first resort when dealing with personal problems are not considered to be people worthy of inclusion in our society.<<
Ridiculous.
Posted by Swilkie, Sunday, 27 November 2005 5:56:53 PM
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