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Sorry to rock the boat: an immigrant’s take on immigration : Comments

By Meg Mundell, published 10/11/2005

Meg Mundell asks who decides who will be accepted as an Australian citizen and who won't.

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Red,

As indigenous people have a much higher rate of incarceration etc. and a correspondingly high rate of violence (both v other indigenous people & non-indigienous people), presumably you advocate a return to the old system whereby they were not counted in the census, allowed to vote etc. Perhaps we could even reintroduce the protection act, thereby requiring every indigenous person to carry a letter of authorisation to leave their community, with them at all times?

C'mon redman, you ARE smarter than that!
Posted by Aaron, Sunday, 27 November 2005 8:20:03 PM
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Redneck, “The biggest surprise is that there are still people like yourself around finding excuses for crime prone minorities and trying to blame white society for everything.” How you worked that out is beyond me, but as I like fishing it's reasonable that the gullible will bite when dangled the right bait. Even if I thought it from your posts, I would never accuse you of being a cross dressing, homophobic, closet, religious blank, unless I saw you come out of the closet in your pretty pinkies. You must be so paranoid, to accuse a white, blonde, blue eyed Gypsy of supporting morons.

I am against all religion, those that promote it, political correctness, politicians, multinationals and war. I would love to see all migration stopped, any that complain send back. I would throw all those immigrants that are on welfare out and deport any that committed a crime. Also introduce the death penalty for certain crimes and jail corporate leaders who ripped of anyone. Turn around refugees boats and sink intruding fishing boats. Anyone that can't speak Australian would go to and I would offer all the religious the chance to leave and go to a country of their choice, or else shut up and only worship in their homes and places of worship.

Redneck, so sad that you are so bereft of understanding, it is not colour, race, nor culture that is the problem, it is religion and the cultures associated with it. Those who believe in religion, can but repeat themselves and rarely have anything progressive to say. Nothing can be done about the past, but to learn from our mistakes, sadly religion never learns those lessons. Religion being an illusion, can but repeat itself over and over with the same results, death and destruction.

The type of attitude you have, I lost during active service as the religious ones put down our hosts and their cultural lifestyle, only to cower in fear when the reality of war invaded their illusions. Lie down and take your pills, your slip is showing
Posted by The alchemist, Monday, 28 November 2005 9:13:53 AM
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I can not help myself sometimes; Here we go again the indefatigable redneck claiming victory yet again; he, in his vivid, imagination has the lefties "on the run" - where to is another matter , but they still seem to be all over these pages in spite of redders oft repeated assertions.

The poor mans victories are pyrhhic at best and largely confined to that space between his ears.

After graduating from crayon to keyboard there now seems to be no stopping this man - I assume - who has stood "shoulder to shoulder" with working class Australians and from what I read thinks that he is alone in that. No one else has had any life experience.

He advises me, and others no doubt, that I have a lot to learn; that is where the seenkemeistere has it all over redders et al - I can agree with him. I do have a lot to learn; an awful lot. I even learn from redders. But with the old redneck, judging by his position on almost everything - poofters and mulsims are the root of all evil; and that is about the limit to his logic - redders has nothing to learn.

A prisoner to his own prejudice. Dark of heart closed of mind bereft of imagination - and he apparently does not like chardonnay or latte'either; that is what I find most staggering about the guy! While I still contend that a good reisling remains the Prince of wines, chardonnay has its place. And while I prefer a short black ( oh how you could work u that line ), latte' too has its place.
Posted by sneekeepete, Monday, 28 November 2005 10:03:44 AM
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I used to think just like you do on the subject of race, Mr Alchemist.

Your own statement is a contradiction.

You claim that culture “is not the problem” then claim that “religious culture” is the problem. But culture is simply a guide to a group of people’s behaviour. Australia’s homicide rate is 1,8 per 100,000. The rate of homicide in the USA is 9.8 per 100,000. But the rate of homicide among young inner city blacks in Washington DC is an incredible 227 per 100,000 and God or religion has nothing to do with that figure. “Gangstas” are hardly noted for their religious observances. Criminal behaviour in inner city Washington DC, (which is 90% black) became so bad in 1993, that the mayor, Sharon Kelly, asked the President to call out the National Guard. She admitted that the police had lost control of the streets.

Culture is critical to understanding any group of people’s behaviour. But I think that you will admit that the culture of the typical black or Hispanic street gang member is a bit different to that of the members of The Mormon Tabernacle. In the cultures of low status young males and the cultures of people from societies like the Middle East, it is common for men to embrace a culture in which male codes of honour are almost medieval in concept. That is why these cultures are so violent, especially towards women.

On the subject of genetics, even the Australian Institute of Criminlogy has released a paper (Oct 2003, “Is There a Genetic Susceptibility To Crime” ) in which they have ruefully admitted that there is strong evidence that there is. This confirms the scientific research published in the Criminology book “A Mind To Crime”. The facts cross connect.

The primary reason for glaring discrepancies in criminal beahviour of different ethnic and racial groups is primarily cultural. But genetics could also play a part because it is easy to culturally condition a person to act in a certain way if they already instinctively feel that such behaviour is natural and normal anyway.
Posted by redneck, Monday, 28 November 2005 5:52:58 PM
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Well finally the Alchemist has revealed his political agenda. Just imagine the violence he would cause if he ever tried to introduce his totalitarian approach to a nationhood. His real agenda is violence and war as he attacks any difference from his view. Let us see him introduce it without civil war.

Quote: "I am against all religion, those that promote it, political correctness, politicians, multinationals and war. I would love to see all migration stopped, any that complain send back. I would throw all those immigrants that are on welfare out and deport any that committed a crime. Also introduce the death penalty for certain crimes and jail corporate leaders who ripped of anyone. Turn around refugees boats and sink intruding fishing boats. Anyone that can't speak Australian would go to and I would offer all the religious the chance to leave and go to a country of their choice, or else shut up and only worship in their homes and places of worship."
Posted by Philo, Monday, 28 November 2005 8:10:48 PM
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redneck, there is another aspect to those crime rates which is worth considering - environment. I spent a short period of time in one of the bad areas of Washinton DC many years ago, didn't find out how bad until after the event. Un-informed me went out to get some groceries while staying at a youth hostel in the area. I had a very memorable (and pleasant) chat with some locals on the way back.

The environment was bleak, almost no gardens (or space for them), drap building fronts, few trees etc. Some of that is economic and some is cultural. No matter how small the space I would be trying to find a way to have a garden but most of these people have not grown up with that and don't understand the impact it can have.

I understand that some of the initial work in Mahatton came from idea's in the book "Fixing Broken Windows" which I have not read (should do sometime). The premise I have been told is basically that if you leave windows broken, graffiti up, allow people to piss in public, commit small crimes etc then they become more accepting of that stuff and bigger problems are easier to move to. Zero tolerance is an extension of this, get rid of the small crime and people are less likely to do big crime. Along with that goes the problem of a dramatic loss of freedom and that is the sting.

Haven't ghetto's always had a high level of crime? Isn't there evidence that if you improve the environment and give people some hope they care more? My guess is that the environment for those young negro's in DC plays a big part in the murder rate in that area, a much bigger part than genetics.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Monday, 28 November 2005 10:15:09 PM
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