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By Lyndon Schneiders, published 23/1/2008If the conservatives in Queensland successfully amalgamate, it must be accompanied by a major reform of their environmental policy.
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Posted by Ludwig, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 5:11:59 PM
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So, are the stodgy old Nationals and Liberals capable of doing this? If not, they’ll almost definitely stay in opposition for a very long time.
Posted by Ludwig, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 5:14:20 PM
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Ludwig, I assure you that there is a mood of change to bring about this merger amongst my side of politics (Nats) and there is certainly good will being displayed by some Liberals as well. It is fair to say that we understand the importance of bringing about this change so that Queenslanders have a credible alternative to vote for at the next State election.
Labor is in by default not because people necessarily wanted to vote for them but because they did NOT feel comfortable in voting for the coalition, Anna Bligh doesn’t have a mandate to govern, but we certainly got a message to improve. I agree with the point made in Lyndon's article about Green preferences but Green voters are willing to preference conservatives when we get our policies and position on issues right, as happened in both the recent State and Federal elections in Gympie. Obviously Traveston was the major issue but what it shows is that there can be more common ground between the conservatives and the environmentalists than traditionally believed. Hold on to your akubra's hats and roll up your hemp sleeves there is a change in the wind in Queensland politics and it is going to bring some exciting times! David Gibso Posted by DG, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 11:55:14 PM
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Hello David. Thanks for responding.
I’m sure there is something of a mood change amongst the conservatives. But to what extent? Please see the recent Getup poll (http://www.getup.org.au/blogs/view.php?id=754) to get an idea of just how big environmental sustainability is in the minds of the Australian voting public right now. This is a powerful indication that any mood-swing in the Australian or Queensland opposition needs to be very strongly oriented towards the environment and sustainability. So do you think that there is any chance at all of a united opposition in Queensland supporting genuine sustainability, which absolutely necessitates bringing an end to constant population growth, economic growth and human expansionism overall, or do you think that they would just continue to facilitate this sort of endless increasing pressure on our environment and resource base while falsely claiming to hold a philosophy of sustainability, as per the current government? Posted by Ludwig, Friday, 25 January 2008 8:14:36 AM
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There's no reason that economic growth per se is at odds with environmental sustainability: it's just economic growth of the nature that we have been used to for the last few hundred years that's the problem.
There are plenty of ways of growing the economy while using less energy and less natural resources - not least because we currently use them so wastefully. Posted by wizofaus, Friday, 25 January 2008 8:33:24 AM
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You are quite right wizofaus. The challenge is to continue to achieve economic growth by way of improving efficiencies and developing a renewable resource base. But even this has a limit. We will reach a point where continued increases are very small indeed. And the better we are with developing this sort of economic growth, the sooner this limit would be reached.
The biggest factor in increasing effective economic growth at the personal level is to stabilise our population, so that we don’t have this absurd situation of rapid economic growth ever-battling to maintain the same quality of life for a rapidly growing population. This is surely the key to the new political paradigm that this country has to have… and no doubt will in the near future:– the denouncement of the continuous growth spiral, where we are forever told that we need more workers to maintain economic growth, infrastructure, services and quality of life and we need high economic growth to cater for an ever-increasing population. The Australian populace is fast realising the imperative of sustainability. Right behind this current groundswell of sensibility will come the realisation that we have been chronically and utterly misled for many years by politicians and business leaders that vehemently promote high immigration and never-ending economic growth. So, can the Libs/Nats grasp this and run with it? Or are they going to continue to be conservative dinosaurs? Posted by Ludwig, Friday, 25 January 2008 10:26:45 AM
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Absolutely!
An enormous opportunity for a united opposition exists here. The Bligh government is very vulnerable to getting on the wrong side of the electorate with the rapidly increasing concern about environment and sustainability.
But a united opposition surely cannot call itself the ‘United Conservative Party’ or anything like that. It needs to be something specifically non-conservatively oriented and strongly progressively oriented. It needs to project an air of change, and not of conserving the past methods…which have largely got us into our current highly unsustainable state.
The most seriously different thing that it MUST do is to embrace limits to growth, and move right away from the crazy notion that population growth is unchallengeable and that the economy has to be forever growing. It has GOT to advocate a dynamic steady-state economy and a stable population.