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Pulp the other one! : Comments

By Roger Hanney, published 6/9/2007

Who is governing Tasmania? Gunns and the Tasmanian forestry industry perhaps?

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Roger; lets play the devilís advocate and see how well you researched some points in this article. Beware; I reckon cinders write writes a pretty good line when he gets his block into it. ďRichoĒ times were pretty frightening for the all the dedicated developers and their side kicks as the F111 zoomed in.

Ashbarry goes mything with a flapjack stack of misinterpretations and misrepresentations? Guess what?

Our TCA actually believe in all the Gunns stuff as it was dished up because they had to. These people as Roger says were not in the P& P biz like say AMCOR who now make REFLEX after the demise of APPM. Six decades of experience at Maryvalle is only half of it though.

I reckon Long Reach is OK since itís close to Gunns HQ and other residences given lots of extra employment is the No 1 state issue. 780 public submissions are almost outnumbered by new jobs given half were for it. More hearings were hardly necessary. Bugs impacting on windscreens is a red herring and who needs delays when the refined pulp market is so brisk?

Where is Hampshire? I note the UK seems to have lost 700,000 tpa P & P manufacturing recently. Perhaps Hampshire moved to South America while we were debating the pros n cons of another Kraft Mill. The John Paul combo making pulp or paper at Hampshire is a total myth. Either of them ducking through the woods there at night is just too hard to contemplate! Knocking down trees out of bounds is another thing they donít do.

And whatís the bet Malcolm canít find dioxin anywhere?

Roger: We have to give that combo a chance to put a crack team together
Posted by Taz, Friday, 7 September 2007 9:08:55 PM
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Thanks for the useful and informative article and all the interesting links.

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I wonder in Mark Latham would have backed the pulp mill to the end? In "The Latham Diaries" he wrote that if the project had been announced before the 2004 election the extra jobs could have defused the orchestrated backlash against Labor for its plan to reduce woodchipping and fund alternative employment and he would have been in power today.

It would have been an interesting stiutation. He would have been committed to one policy that would have been good for the environment and another that would have been terrible.

I think he would have jumped the right way in the end. Whatever, the situation could not have been worse than it is now.
Posted by daggett, Saturday, 15 September 2007 1:31:21 PM
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Miraculous post by dagget. For my part first time have read this, but the article just seems to reinforce the impression I have of the whole thing being an absolute travesty. Labor or Lib?
Arsenic or cyanide?
Posted by funguy, Sunday, 16 September 2007 1:50:32 AM
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funguy,

Do you dispute that the environmental movement would have been in a far better position if Labor had won in 2004?

This is not to say that Latham was perfect, but steps to commence winding back of woodchipping would have commenced. In any case, the environemntal movement would not have been obliged to have been subservient to Latham should his policies have fallen significantly short of what was necessary.

The simplistic equating of Latham's Labor party back in 2004 with the Liberal Party has become a self-fulfulling prophecy. The real differences between Labor and the Liberals over woodchipong that existed have now largely disappeared.

In spite of this it is very necessary to boot out Howard in 2007 and vote in Rudd.

Are you seriously indifferent to the prospect of having a government which both helped start the Iraq war and allowed AU$290 million in bribes to be paid to Saddam Hussein's regime stay in office?
Posted by daggett, Sunday, 16 September 2007 2:43:27 AM
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Just a few comments in reply to Taz - firstly, you make the assumption that half the 780 submissions received by the RPDC were in favour of the Gunns proposal - this is wildly innaccurate. I made a submission and I also made a count of 'for' and 'against' submissions. There were around 80 submissions in support of the proposal and many of those were template submissions (even down to the same spelling and grammatical errors) that emanated from TCA sources. The other approx 700 submissions were against the proposal, and many of those submissions were of very high quality from respected scientists and economics experts.
Secondly, your point about jobs: yes there would be around 280 direct jobs at the mill, and arguably maybe 1000 -1500 or so more flow-on jobs, but this would be at the expense of many thousands of already existing jobs in the Tamar Valley, as it is almost certain that many of these horticultural, fishing, viticultural and tourism jobs will go. These industries are simply not compatible with a pulp mill in this valley. I haven't even got onto the notorious Tamar air inversion.
I don't think is is up to Mr Turnbull to find 'no dioxin' - I think that job will be left to the Chief Scientist and his team, whom I trust far more to get it right than Gunns or this travesty of a state government we have here.
Great article, Roger.
Posted by Sooz, Sunday, 16 September 2007 9:27:28 AM
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Sooz

What's the bet that if the Chief Scientists's report is favourable for the mill proceeding you will still oppose it and complain of political interference or some other conspiracy. The problem is that all you bleaters against the mill are being dishonest about your position - and that is you are against the mill regardless of the science or any other good points. I just wish you (and all the other opponents) could be honest with me, honest with yourself and more importantly, honest with everyone else and just admit that fact. No matter what is presented in favour of the mill, you will oppose it instead of hiding behind the charade of claiming your opposition is due to undemocratic processes, poor science, Gunns/Labor in bed together, and all the other conspiracies.
Posted by tragedy, Sunday, 16 September 2007 3:18:08 PM
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