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Dynamics of population and our regional order : Comments

By Peter Curson, published 9/5/2007

International power, security, economics and disease all hinge on the dynamics of our region's population.

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“Equally important are ethnic and religious differences within societies to our north.”

And therein lays the real problem for Australia. Forget the reasons, and face the facts. Ethnic differences are now the biggest threat to our future.

The author’s claim that “.. many Muslims are still marginalised and discriminated against in areas of education employment and housing” is wrong, though. Muslims marginalise themselves with their medieval religion. Their religion keeps them in dark: not the actions of other groups.

Incidentally, Peter Curson confuses ‘ethnicity’ with religion, as so many ‘experts’ do, but the problem of Islam is there, nonetheless. And, Australia’s stupidity in refusing to accept the fact that, although we need to get along with our neighbours, we are a bastion of Western civilization in the region is the other problem of our own making.
Posted by Leigh, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 10:18:41 AM
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A very interesting appraisal of the demographics, particularly in our own area. I have always been a great follower of Dr Paul Erlick and his prescient view of the "population Bomb" over 40 years ago. While a not entirely accurate view at the time, he was very close to the mark, close enough to realise that nature and the reaction of human instincts in an over populated world had consequences which should have been recognised by many more governments at an earlier stage rather than encouraging and subsidising the human race to breed. This is of course exacerbated by a system of differing cultures, religions and tribes, a vast number of which do not accept democracy and are dedicated to ultimate domination.
Posted by snake, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 10:23:29 AM
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Snake

Dr Paul Erlick’s (I presume you mean Ehrlich) predictions were so far off the mark they’re now a standing joke

His forecasts include

"The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s and 1980s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now."

"a minimum of ten million people, most of them children, will starve to death during each year of the 1970s. But this is a mere handful compared to the numbers that will be starving before the end of the century"”

“A cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells; the population explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people. Treating only the symptoms of cancer may make the victim more comfortable at first, but eventually he dies -- often horribly. A similar fate awaits a world with a population explosion if only the symptoms are treated. We must shift our efforts from treatment of the symptoms to the cutting out of the cancer. The operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless decisions. The pain may be intense. But the disease is so far advanced that only with radical surgery does the patient have a chance of survival”

His dystopian view of the world and loathing of humanity, which looks on the starvation of the poor and not only inevitable but desirable, ranks him as one of the more loathsome green gurus of the 20th century.

According to Wilipedia,
The Population Bomb made the Intercollegiate Studies Institute's 50 Worst Books of the Twentieth Century in 2003 and was #11 ("honorable" mention) in Human Events Ten Most Harmful Books of the Nineteenth and Twentieth Centuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Population_Bomb
Posted by Rhian, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 3:21:13 PM
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Muslims are marginalized because "ISLAM" marginalizes them.

If they are not taken up as 'Cashiers' for reasons of them being Muslim, is it "discrimination" or is it "reaping what they sow"?

I would be happy to accept a Muslim as a cashier in a supermarket PROVIDED that he/she agreed without question to handle EVERYthing which needed to come through the checkouts. Including PORK, BACON and ALCHOHOL and TOBACCO (much as the last 2 are loathesome to me personally)
http://www.collegerecruiter.com/career-counselors/archives/2007/04/muslim_cashiers_at_target_refu.php

MUSLIM DISCRIMINATION against SECULAR SOCIETY.

-Some Muslim Taxi drivers won't pick up passengers carrying any alchohol.
-Some Muslim Target workers will not touch/scan pork/bacon.
-Muslim Mayor denies Ham sandwiches to other residents in Hume shire(Melbourne)

"small wonder many are pushed into radicalism" says the author ...

Nope..sorry, they are pushed into radicalism by the following:

a)They feel victimized (because of their religion being incompatable with the West.
b) Their propensity to violence.
c) Their unwillingness to adapt culturally.
d) The radical/extreme/hateful nature of the Quran and hadith.
e)Its 'our' fault not theirs that they are marginalized.
f) Marginalization results in increased sense of 'us/them'
g) With a stronger sense of 'us/them' employers are MORE reluctant to take them on and provide opportunities.
h) goto "e" above for a few more loops then proceed below.

i) Silver tongued orators inflame their sense of victimhood.
j) Radicals use skilful but deceptive propoganda showing all manner of Muslim victimization by Western powers, ignoring totally the attocities perpetrated by Muslims, such as teaching a 12yr old boy how to carve off the head of a man suspected of treachery.

k) Disgruntled Moderates are made more extreme by "g"
l) Plans are made and attacks considered against the "enemies of Islam"
m) We now have 11 men in Sydney and 13 in Melbourne on trial charged with 'terrorism'.
n) They are just the ones against whom the police consider the evidence is sufficient to win a conviction.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 4:40:59 PM
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So what is your conclusion Rhian?

Do you think Ehrich’s timelines were way out, but the underlying message is sound?

Or do you think that his message about population growth is fundamentally wrong and that we can keep growing the population with no ill-effect?
Posted by Ludwig, Thursday, 10 May 2007 12:32:05 AM
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Ludwig
I think he was totally wrong on three counts.

Firstly, he didn't anticipate that population growth was going to slow of its own accord (the “demographic transition” discussed in the article), without the need for policy intervention or encouraging the starvation of the world's poor.

Secondly, he failed to appreciate the capacity of humanity to innovate and hence sustain economic growth.

Thirdly, he failed to understand that the causal relationship runs in the opposite way to the one he expected - that improving human welfare, reflected in economic growth, falling poverty rates, rising life expectancy etc was the cause of population growth, rather than population growth being the cause of a drop in living standards that he anticipated by which never happened.

He’s a malevolent false prophet, responsible for many people adopting a fatalistic indifference to the fate of the world’s poor. I think the people who voted his book one of the most harmful of the 20th century were dead right.
Posted by Rhian, Thursday, 10 May 2007 4:17:03 PM
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