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Bigots shield behind conservative facade : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 12/3/2007

Liberty and xenophobia don't make comfortable bedfellows.

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Wonderful, Irfan.
You once again shot yourself in the foot by pointing out that Keith Ellison was sworn in on Thomas Jefferson's copy of the Koran, stating this in a matter-of-fact way that leaves the less informed under the impression that the great man had respect for Islam. The truth of the matter,which is easily found by anyone who cares to look, is that Jefferson wanted greater insight into the pirates of the Barbary Coast who were attacking American and European shipping, slaughtering or enslaving their crews and raping any women who were unlucky enough to be aboard at the time- a thing that Mohammad heartily approved of and can be found in the Koran. These pirates were Muslim and had protection of Muslim states that gave them safe harbour, and they proceeded to ask the US for large sums of money to desist this wholly Islamic practice of killing infidels for fun and profit. The US paid up, hoping the Muslims would keep their end of the bargain, but alas, they got greedier and greedier, asking for greater and greater sums. Jefferson was no fan of appeasement, and in desperation sent the USS Constitution to the Mediterranean where they destroyed the pirates stronghold at Tripoli. Too bad more politicians don't read the Koran as Jefferson did - they might wake up to themselves as to what Islam is really all about. Anyway Irf, keep up the attempts at Taqiyya, Tu-Quoque and Kitman. Allah commands it.
Posted by Gitmo Guy, Monday, 12 March 2007 3:22:38 PM
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Irfan has ignored the facts that is happening round the world even before 9/11

1. Muslims fight Christians in Philippines in Mindanao.
2. Muslims fight Buddhists in south Thailand. Recently, they killed 2000+ people.
3. Muslims fight the Hindus in India, especially in Kashmir.
4. Muslims fight the Russians in Chechnya.
5. Muslims in Muslim-majority Indonesia are killing the Christians by the thousands and even beheading school girls!!
6. Muslims fight between themselves; Sunnis and Shiites are killing each other in Iraq. Before that Sunni-controlled Iraq under Saddam Hussien fought a war with Shiite-Iran
7. Muslims in secular Singapore have special laws e.g (childhood marriage and polygamy)which do not apply to non-Muslims. This is against a true democracy where the "rule of law" is sacrosanct.

Islam as practised today is against democracy and intolerant of other religions. It must be viewed as a political system that invokes the name of "God" for its many violent actions
Posted by Philip Tang, Monday, 12 March 2007 3:22:50 PM
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Here we go again. Irfan digs into the depths. I haven't even read a word of his article and won't as I know what he has written. It's Muslim/Christian wars again, right?

Is anybody else sick of people like Irfan who use Islam as his pet toy to stir emotions? He would be right at home with the insurgents, urging the fighters and suicide bombers on. Of course he would be sitting in his air conditioned motel room in another country urging by mobile.

This author truly disgusts me. He's a garbage collector. And he's got a lot of it in his head.
Posted by Betty, Monday, 12 March 2007 4:39:23 PM
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In Irfan’s previous recent discussion he made the following comment about me;

‘TR, there is this amazing skill I learned at school. It's called reading. It involves recognising these strange things called 'letters' placed in unique combinations and then recognising these combinations signify sounds.’

This is what I call a personal or ad hominem attack. Ironically, this type of attack is typical of the xenophobia that Irfan is decrying!

This distinction between ‘playing the man’ and ‘playing the ball’ is the key to this new topic initiated by Irfan. Yet he doesn’t seem to be able to tell the difference. In a secular democracy Irfan we, as in ‘we the people’, are encouraged to be sceptical and challenge any ideology as is seen fit. Nothing is exempt from intense examination. Therefore, hiding behind the phoney facade of ‘xenophobia’ simple won’t do. We are not that easily duped. It is the Islamic version of monotheism that we oppose rather than you personally Irfan. As Gore Vidal wrote in 1998 (cited in ‘A Devil‘s Chaplain‘ by R. Dawkins);

‘The great unmentionable evil at the center of our culture is monotheism. From a barbaric Bronze Age text known as the Old Testament, three anti-human religions have evolved - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. These are sky-god religions. They are literally patriarchal - God is the Omnipotent Father - hence the loathing of women for 2000 years in those countries afflicted by the sky-god and his earthly delegates. The sky-god is a jealous God, of course. He requires total obedience from everyone on earth, as he is not just in place for one tribe, but for all creation. Those who reject him must be converted or killed for their own good.’

I happen to agree with Vidal 100%. Therefore, if liberty is to be maintained then society needs to ensure that monotheism, especially Islamic monotheism, is opposed, fettered, and kept under control. In this we have to be vigilant.
Posted by TR, Monday, 12 March 2007 6:23:33 PM
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Irfan,

If you can't spell the word then you probably don't understand it. Xenophobia. Here's another Irfanaphobia. The fear of writing anything other than racist or religious pap.

Please explain this comment of yours :

"The real message of the article is found in the final paragraph."

What is the rest of your writing about? Fluff, padding? And why do we have to "find" what your message was/is? Is it a secret?
Posted by RobbyH, Monday, 12 March 2007 6:59:42 PM
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Rhian,

It is a legal fact that were a White Australian to form a club solely for the Aussie caucasian, there would be howls of protests with accusations of being white supremecist. Not to forget that it is illegal. Yet, politicians give taxpayers money for immigrants to have their own clubs and community halls.

Discrimination is in the courts against the white Australian. People who protested peacefully at Cronulla found themselves in prison yet we see Lebenese who smashed concrete over the head of a whitey and they walk out and go home. As they walk out of the courthouse, they send a threatening message saying that they're coming back.

If I'm being a bigot, racist or Nazi, etc for pointing out this discrimination against us, then so be it. I'm one and bloody proud of it.
Posted by Spider, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 12:09:32 AM
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