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Waterworld scenario sinks : Comments

By Mark S. Lawson, published 16/2/2007

The IPCC's vague forecasts on sea level rises may be little more than stabs in the dark.

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Gee Yet another non scientist telling us how all them know nothing climate scientist have got it wrong. So who is this new fountain of truth a journo, a profession one up from Polly’s and used car salesmen. Come you tell us why we should believe you, even better tell us why we should be dazzled by your obvious lack of knowledge on the subject or science in general. Last I looked Journo are supposed to report the news not fabricate it. I'd go through point by point where you wrong but a climate scientist would do a much better job and they have a number of great web sites. Written I might add by people who actually know what they are talking about. Google away.
Posted by Kenny, Friday, 16 February 2007 8:38:56 AM
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save your breath kenny

most of us with more than two brain cells to rub together arent forgetting there is more to climate change than sea level rises. the real merchants of doom (those who say it will cost uss too much to do anything) will constantly cherry pick their arguments as to why there is no need to act, and focussing on the worst predictions of one aspect one of their saviours. one wonders whether this author has house insurance, because surely the chances of it being broken into or burnt down are non existent.

the fact that both established agriculture and isolated pockets of native biodiverse land cannot move as quickly as the changing weather patterns is of no concern to someone with a portfolio of beach front property.
Posted by julatron, Friday, 16 February 2007 9:55:22 AM
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Hang onto that beach shack (or McMansion)? Yep, "don't worry, be happy" has been a philosophy for a long time. Embedded in a culture of intellectual blindness, fostered in those parts of society disliking reality's view.
In 1954 goelogist Fred Whitehouse lectured on the absurdity of Gold Coast development upon fore-dunes built up during long periods of calm; to be swept away during ferocious surges generated from cyclones drifting down from the north. That was half a century ago. How lucky some people can be - only once has there been a panic: truckloads of rock avoided a disaster from an act of the sea-God.
In 1999 Geoscience Australia (AGSO) published a multi-hazard risk assessment for Cairns. Storm tide inundation for most of the city was shown to be almost unavoidable. Wetting of feet, mybe the nose and beyond, would be a sure thing at some time.
Assessments for other places came. South-east Queensland looks specially precarious. All this has been without factoring in a Global Warming scenario.
With "beach shack" mania extending along most of Australia's east coast, those two regions aren't alone. The NSW Lands Department have acknowledged the issue. They addressed it to some extent by denying requests to re-define seaward boundaries of land benefiting from accretion of stabilised sand. Accretion had been a gift to the landowner, paid for by public loss of beach access when seawalls were built along the new boundaries to block natural erosion during storms.
Even without global warming, the paradise of a beach condominium or shack might be short-lived. So-what for Global warming? - well, hold onto your hats as melt-water trickles down glacial crevasses in Greenalnd and Antarctica. During the last year we have found that such a trickle is rather a fast-moving phenomenon bent on lubricating the formidable ice mass. The ice giants are on the move, growling their way to the sea. They are big. When freed from the land to float, sea-level rise could accelerate somewhat.
Posted by colinsett, Friday, 16 February 2007 12:27:14 PM
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The first two posts added nothing to the discussion. Nothing whatsoever.

About a week and a half ago, this excellent report was published by the Canadian newspaper National Post. It focuses on a number of highly distinguished scholars/experts who have made various strong disputes regarding the IPCC findings.

I will list them here with links to the respective parts of the report that discusses their disputes:

1. Edward Wegman, Ph.D. degree in mathematical statistics, University of Iowa. Has served as editor or associate editor of numerous prestigious journals and has published more than 160 papers and eight books.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=22003a0d-37cc-4399-8bcc-39cd20bed2f6&k=0

2. Christopher Landsea doctor in atmospheric science from Colorado State University. Leading hurricane expert whose conclusions were ignored by the IPCC.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=ae9b984d-4a1c-45c0-af24-031a1380121a&k=0

3. Duncan Wingham PhD. in Physics, Bath and Leeds. He is a director of the NERC Centre for Polar Observation and Modelling and principal scientist of the European Space Agency CryoSat Satellite Mission.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=b228f4b0-a869-4f85-ba08-902b95c45dcf&k=0

4. Richard Lindzen PhD in applied mathematics, Harvard University. A professor of meteorology in the Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, he is a member of the National Academy of Sciences, a fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and a member of the National Research Council Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate. He is also a consultant to the Global Modeling and Simulation Group at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, and a Distinguished Visiting Scientist at California Institute of Technology's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Prof. Lindzen is a recipient of the AMS's Meisinger, and Charney Awards, and AGU's Macelwane Medal. He is author or coauthor of over 200 scholarly papers and books.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=63ab844f-8c55-4059-9ad8-89de085af353&k=0

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Posted by Ev, Friday, 16 February 2007 12:55:20 PM
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5. Henrik Svensmark is director of the Centre for Sun-Climate Research at the Danish Space Research Institute (DSRI). Previously, Dr. Svensmark was head of the sunclimate group at DSRI. He has held post doctoral positions in physics at University California Berkeley, Nordic Institute of Theoretical Physics, and the Niels Bohr Institute. In 1997, Dr Svensmark received the Knud Hojgaard Anniversary Research Prize and in 2001 the Energy-E2 Research Prize.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=fee9a01f-3627-4b01-9222-bf60aa332f1f&k=0

6. Nigel Weiss, professor emeritus of mathematical astrophysics in the University of Cambridge. Recipient of a Royal Society Citation, he is a past President of the Royal Astronomical Society, and a past Chairman of Cambridge's School of Physical Sciences.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=17fad0e2-6f6b-41f3-bdd8-8e9eeb015777&k=0

7. Prof. Henk Tennekes
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=9bc9a7c6-2729-4d07-9629-807f1dee479f&k=0

8. Habibullo Abdussamatov,physicist and a mathematician, head of the space research laboratory of the Russian Academies of Sciences' Pulkovo Observatory and of the International Space Station's Astrometry project, a long-term joint scientific research project of the Russian and Ukranian space agencies.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=edae9952-3c3e-47ba-913f-7359a5c7f723&k=0

9. Astrophysicist Dr. Nir Shariv -
"Like many others, I was personally sure that CO2 is the bad culprit in the story of global warming. But after carefully digging into the evidence, I realized that things are far more complicated than the story sold to us by many climate scientists or the stories regurgitated by the media. In fact, there is much more than meets the eye."
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=069cb5b2-7d81-4a8e-825d-56e0f112aeb5&k=0
Posted by Ev, Friday, 16 February 2007 12:56:32 PM
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Thanks for the links, Ev.
Posted by Richard Castles, Friday, 16 February 2007 2:06:21 PM
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