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An intolerant creed - New Labourís Islam policy : Comments

By Nasser Amin, published 3/11/2006

Rather than encouraging the integration of Muslims into British society, the Blair Governmentís policies are having the opposite effect.

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Well comrade,

With your own words, you stand condemned: "Muslims have helped establish, and participated in, voluntary organisations, anti-imperialist associations such as the Stop the War coalition, media monitoring and pressure groups like the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, and charitable bodies which help the needy at home and abroad."

And the charity has been extended to those who support terrorism, which is why the UK govt. has closed some down. Respect is a two-way street. You can demand but not get it. It is reciprocal. Did I miss any contrition for those who died in the Underground bombings? The UK has always been too tolerant a society for it's own good and now the chickens are coming home to roost. The events of the past year or so in England have convinced me that the English are never allowed to speak up because of a tide of PC and daren't show any patriotic fervour. That explains, in a nutshell, the rise of the BNP and other far-right groups. My country, I bleed for thee.

"Bomb not, lest ye be bombed."
Posted by perikles, Friday, 3 November 2006 11:17:23 AM
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If ever an act was inimical to social cohesion it must be muslim immigration to the West. Were/are migrants from Estonia similarly unable to integrate into life in a Western country? The author touches on overt racisim in the West which I find interesting given the record of muslim countries. If muslims have to tolerate so much unpleasantness why do they migrate to the West? Perhaps an agenda is at play.

If muslim youth is answering the clarion call of unfriendly imams why isnít that being replicated by disaffected nurses, contractors, house-maids, servants and other Westerners who are now living and working in ME countries. Some are forced to live in compounds; others are wedded to the houses in which they serve as domestics. Why arenít they being radicalized by some frothing-at-the-mouth Baptist minister who preaches at the Riyadh church? Surely he is stirring up Filipino maids imploring them to find their voices and maybe even holding a street demo. A question: are Filipino maids free to integrate into ME life or are they excluded because they lack Arab purity? Is that racism?

I suggest the author, along with Tariq Ramadan and Cat Stevens et al conduct a series of workshops extolling the virtues of freedom of speech, human rights, freedom of association, freedom of religious practice and other freedoms. They could take their message to all of the ME countries.
Posted by Sage, Friday, 3 November 2006 11:50:54 AM
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There are two Englands, two France's,two Hollands, two Australias. There is the original and there is the Muslim, neither compatable with the other.
The Muslim flood begged to be allowed in and now wants not only a say in how a country is run but wants dominance in that society.
And if it does not get it's way, it will turn violent as it did in Spain,Uk and Holland.
So the intolerant one is not the host country who has treated the guest kindly and with consideration but the guest who has accepted the kindness and spits in the host's face.
That is what we are seeing here with a Muslim cleric who can threaten Australian women unless they adopt Muslim style clothing.
Some guest!
Posted by mickijo, Friday, 3 November 2006 3:38:49 PM
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In a self loathing victim social hierarchy, especially one that denigrates it's history and minimizes it's successes, deserves neither the past nor a future. Those communities, local governments and others that are moving towards the right are going to reclaim their countries. Their rights and freedoms and their nationalism. The socialist thought they had eliminated national identity and Muslims have tried to exploit what they saw as an entry point towards social domination and the acceptance of sharia rule. True British Liberalism unfortunately is going to pay for the socialist dismantling of a unified identity and all Muslims are going to suffer for the ignorance of their leaders. No one is going to accept that if having had more time Islam would prove it's reformation. Only the most self loathing anti-social hater will allow the end of democracy and the complete abdication of his/her national spirit. What you see in Britain today and in other smaller European countries is a people who have bent over backwards to accommodate Muslims and have been shown no gratitude nor a willingness to assimilate into the native society. Western societies will not allow themselves to be recreated into Muslim states of oppression.
Those who think that they will be saved from having to choose best study a map of the world and see where the wars are being fought and by whom. There are more than 20 wars being fought today in the name of Islam. Those countries that don't consider the broader picture of Islam will have to fight for their democracy and their existence from door to door.
Posted by aqvarivs, Friday, 3 November 2006 5:24:27 PM
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P.S.
There is no "undiscovered" Australia, nor an "undiscovered" North America. There is no place to run. No safe haven. What you surrender today, or what right you compromise today in your society is lost to you forever.
Posted by aqvarivs, Friday, 3 November 2006 5:36:30 PM
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Its funny how sometimes people speak a truism without actually realising how true it is.
Nasser Amin says ďUnder onerous conditions a community like a BIOLOGICAL ORGANISM can begin to see the outside as a source of dissolution and a threat to its survival.Ē

That is a very good description of a tribe-: A biological organism Ė people related by tribal intermarriage at the biological level. Translation-: The muslims in other words fear the dissolution of their bloodline (tribe). If they see intermarriage with the British people as a threat to their biology,(bloodline), then who are the true racists. The British are asking them intergrate that is to intermarry and become all one British people.

Nassar says that they are intergrating by becoming active in politics but this is more about the muslims taking control of the country. True intergration only takes place by intermarriage otherwise people still remain tribal and their allegiance will always be to their own tribe not to the other people in the country.

She blames Tony Blair and the British people for wanting the muslims to intergrate but it is the tribalism of the Muslims that is actually at fault.
Posted by sharkfin, Friday, 3 November 2006 11:24:54 PM
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