No foreign workers should be brought into Australia. But, would aborigines work even if they were offered the jobs? They are now too used to receiving their sit-down money from governments too stupid and too idle to encourage them to – or insist – that they move out of their apartheid-like existence into the real world: to work and live like the rest of us.

Our aid to our neighbours should have seen those countries build up thier own industries. Maybe we should have more say in how that aid money is spent. For instance, is it necessary for PNG MPs being driven about in the latest mercedes benz vehicle passing somone on the road wearing a loincloth and riding an ox.

Leigh, time and again I ask you to verify with proof your accusations against my people with substantive proof and time again you fail to do so.

The difference with being knowledgeable and being intelligent is that intelligent people readily admit when they know nothing.

You are neither.

'The organisations that are being paid to find jobs for Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders must do their job.'

Too right!

I am, and have always been, highly critical of these job shops. They very definitely serve their own interests first, even from the very day of their conception.

I fully support Prof H Hughes' position on this indegenous point. What we need is for some one to spearhead an attack on the Beattie government so that the honourable thing can be done. Some one should ring him up. All day too. Or perhpas Aiden Wridgeway.

I know what would work best though: Ring the PM.

Probably there would be a lot that would say 'let em eat cake'. But they have been doing that a long time now. The bannanas republic ought to wake up to itself, and get with the spirit and momentum of Aboriginal rising. I'm sure theres plenty of room in country to make it work.

Im sure they would be well pleased if they got something out of it.

Rainier,

What part of Leigh's post do you need proof of?

"No foreign workers should be brought into Australia".
Clearly it is better for Aboriginal communities if work is allocated to them rather than external resources. Surely you agree work is better than dole?

"But, would aborigines work even if they were offered the jobs?"
The poverty trap is a widely accepted fact no? If working means dropping benefit? How about getting to and living at these fruit picking sites?

"They are now too used to receiving their sit-down money"
Welfare dependancy is again a well accepted fact. Refer you to Noel Pearson's article on this very site http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=1060.

"from governments too stupid and too idle to encourage them to –"
Do you deny government intervention in aboriginal affairs is less than effective? Which of the thousands of primary sources should I quote from?

"or insist – that they move out of their apartheid-like existence
into the real world: to work and live like the rest of us".
I refer you back to Noel Pearson's article : 'There is a sense of hopelessness about Aboriginal Australia that many feel, but nobody admits to. Nobody says it out loud but many people do not really believe that a change for the better will ever happen. It is possible that Aboriginal separate development eventuates in a way totally different to what those who feared 'a nation within a nation' thought. We might end up with enclaves, permanently illiterate, permanently outside the real economy, permanently paralysed by drugs, kept alive with minimal government support and conveniently remote from mainstream Australia. Outside these enclaves Aboriginal Australia would be just a dark shade in the skin of part of the underclass (and a small group in the middle class).'

How is that not effective Aparthied?

So Rainier, I struggle to see the factual problem with Leigh's post. I look forward to being corrected..

gw

Rainer,
Leigh, gw and other are expressing an opinion. It is an ignorant opinion, but one they are entitled to express. I fail to see what posesses people with no "real" idea, except "public perception" or text books to make such pig ignorant statements.