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War on Terror threatens solutions to terrorism : Comments

By George Williams and Edwina MacDonald, published 2/10/2006

Academic research is being chilled just at the time it could provide real insights into how to fight the War on Terror

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A rigorous analysis of terror would threaten to undermine the popular approach to it -

it is received wisdom that it is wide spread, well coordinated, has unlimiited funds, is an integral part of Islamic socio-political thought, represents a clear and present danger to us every waking minute of our lives, requires counter measures costing in the billions of dollars, was a severe threat to us before we invaded Afgahistan and Iraq, and those invasions have in no way incrceased our exposure to the odd fundmentalist nut bag, counter terrorist measures up hold rather than weaken our civil liberties - and these liberties must be compromised in this ongoing waragainst civilsation if we hope to see 2008. - that pretty much sums up our take on terrorist - so why worry about further study?

Heavens above there is no need for further studies! - after determinig with rock solid certainty al queda links with Sadaam and that the deserts were bristling with WMDs - we knew all we had to know avbout terorrism - and of course Woodwards latest revelations are a pack of lies.

We were right to begin with and we wil be right to the very end because politicians lack the ose or integrity to say we made a mistake - except for the Hezbollah who seemed genuinely suprised at Iraels reaction to their little kidnapping spree.

So why do we need academics muddying the waters when we have got this fiasco so right from the beginning??!!
Posted by sneekeepete, Monday, 2 October 2006 12:28:51 PM
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Quite so Sneekypoos - any academic study would show that the War on Terror is completely bogus - a self fulfilling prophecy, in which our own gullibility is used as a bludgeon against ourselves.

We Aussies couldn't be that stupid could we? - could we?

The trouble is that the war crimes committed by the PM, Cabinet and the Sly-Boys are so egregious that they have no choice but to press on. I think that is called "flight-forward" in Pentagon speak.

I have received the Sedition Laws publications from creepy old Uncle Phil's department - and you know - it's just so much tosh! A waste of paper - a waste of everyone's time - just a collosal red-herring. The excrement of nervous, guilty men.

In fairness to Uncle Phil, I think I detect a slight weariness, as though his heart were no longer in it. I live in hope.

There should be a very public academic study of terrorism. Then might we see that it has it's roots in the War For Profit Gang, whose tentacles reach into the deep recesses of our government, intelligence and financial institutions.
Posted by Chris Shaw, Carisbrook 3464, Monday, 2 October 2006 1:09:56 PM
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I think it would make total sense to ask the "evil-doers" what's on their minds. "Know your enemy" or some such.

In the absence of first-hand knowlege we rely on George W Bush - who, incidentally, believes God chose him for these difficult times - to interpret just why America gets picked on by bearded men hiding in far-away caves.
Posted by bennie, Monday, 2 October 2006 1:20:31 PM
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A Needed Changing of the Guard - Based on extracts from the Guardian

The US and its allies have disappointed its thinking public so much through underestimating ME problems, it is becoming hard to accept apart from succcessful missile strategy, the so far meagre list of our allied capabilities or credentials.

Poor judgment by our leaders has multiplied anti-Western terrorism to the point that we must admit that we can only win in the Middle East possibly with the help of nuclear Israel by forced capitulation of Iran and Syria through pattern bombing - leaving us wondering what sides Russia and China might take, and maybe India, and even Pakistan in the long run.

What has become a problem in today’s world, is that a dismaying number of people who admired the US, especially back in the days of the Keynesian-sponsored Marshall Plan, etc, are now changing their opinions. Indeed, going by reports it seems the US and Britain are playing the same old colonial double-game, with too many troops under orders to guard oilfields rather than organising some sort of democratic peace for the Arabic population.

Possibly more problematic are the US President’s rather dull remarks about freedom for all, reminiscent too much of British colonialist Land of Hope and Glory - Mother of the Free. Both the US and the UK must surely realise that ME Muslims did not come down in the last shower. Their great grand-parents must surely have told truthful tales about Western imperialism and injustice, ever since Lawrence of Arabia was double-crossed just after WW1, pandered to by his friend Winston Churchill about some sort of democracy, but double-crossed again when the democracy proved a copy of the Indian Raj-style Dyarky or double-rule democracy, with British Commissars to match each Iraqi government appointee. When the Iraqis justifiably revolted once more, Lawrence’s so-called bosom pal, Churchill Minister for UK Defence, gave the order for the RAF to bomb a large troop of Iraqi and Kurdish cavalry with mustard gas, killing ten thousand.

Just one instance of British and later American tactics in Iraq.
Posted by bushbred, Monday, 2 October 2006 1:22:52 PM
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Bushbred Part Two

According to the Guardian article, with our allies having messed in the nest so-to speak in the Middle East, there seems little hope now of rebuilding the trust of not only Middle East Muslims, but also of most global Muslims, as well as indeed right now of many global non-Muslims.

Finally, historians are saying that time is definitely not on our side, the leaking of our own advancing technology, will surely bring close the threat of a mini-nuclear bomb in a haversack - set off simply by pressing the button of a mobile phone.

Surely it is time our leaders left off thinking about missile diplomacy and pattern bombing, and thought more about the simple wisdom of a Gandhi, or even a Gorbachev, the former Soviet leader able to organise a peaceful end to the Cold War, with an arrangement for the new Russia to retain most of its nuclear arsenal as part of the bargain. Or better and safer still, the perceptivity and common sense that helped Nelson Mandela calm down possibly the most arrogant elitist group of people to be found in modern times. The South African arparthaidists who also practised state terrorism, so much like the Nazis. Even the former Pope gave praise to Mandela, but not our new Pope, unfortunately.
Posted by bushbred, Monday, 2 October 2006 1:30:11 PM
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BAN

1/ Join the Caravan ?
2/ Defense of the Muslim Lands ?
3/ Quran ?
4/ Hadith ?

Personally, I'd MUCH rather see these texts used as a basis for training young Australian men and woman in what our 'enemy' in fact looks like and how he/she thinks.

What is the point of banning a couple of books when the Quran itself declares regarding Christians (by name)

1/ Allah is at war with them.
2/ Alla's curse is on them.
Sura 9.30

and various other choice adjectives.

By the way.. polytheists/pagans/atheists are condemned outright, and in much stronger language.

Now.. follow the reasoning here.

a) Allah is at War with Christians
b) I am Muslim
c) Muslims worship Allah
d) Muslims must be on Allah's side
e) Muslims (along with Allah) are in fact at war with Christians.
f) Therefore it is clearly my responsibility to fight Christians.

Now..if you want 'sedition' look no further than the Quran itself.
If you want 'advocating violent overthrow' of the Christian/Polytheist/Pagan/anything_other_than_Muslim Government.. again look no further than the Quran.

So.. let me make this unmistakably clear.. I'm going to use caps

THE QURAN ADVOCATES THE VIOLENT OVERTHROW OF NON MUSLIM GOVERNMENTS!

and therefore is a seditious document.

Taking this a step further, is it unreasonable that if Allah is at war with Christians, then all Muslims are at war with non Muslim governments ? Is this not what Catch the Fire were in fact saying ?

Can anyone fault my reasoning ? Did I misquote the Quran ?

DISCLAIMER Clearly, not all muslims are conscious of this state of affairs, so it would be socially unfair to embark on a war against them. But some policy tweaking in immigration might be in order, and some strict rules about certain verses needing to be 'blotted out' in black of every Quran in Australia.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 2 October 2006 1:58:28 PM
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