Bashdar, no other problem in the world today needs combined global attention more than the tension between the Israelies and Palestinians.

As one who in his retirement has done a deep study of the philosophy of Western history, with honours in political science and international relations, one is reminded so much of Immanuel Kant the great iberal Christian as well as the famous German philosopher.

The story of Kant was so much expressed by Konrad Adenauer, first Chancellor of post WW2 Germany, who supported so much the formation of the United Nations.

Kant, a supporter of the Enlightenment and the object of the French Revolution, became disgusted with Napoleon the 23 year old general who though virtually carrying the banner of liberty-equality and fraternity as he conquered most of Europe, became so carried away that he declared himself emperor.

It was when Kant declared - “that from now on in this world, not one man nor even one nation can be trusted to rule this world.” It was when Kant suggested the formation of a Federation of Nations as global watchkeepers, from which of course grew the post WW1 League of Nations, and later the United Nations.

Busbred Part Two

Now with all due respects to our now unipolar United States, after all it is run virtually by one personage and other under-personages who also have more mercenary ambitions, as for instance Dick Cheney, who was or still is a top oil executive, and even Condoleeza Rice who was or still is an oil executive.

No need to say any more about the present White House staff, but except to mention that from what one has read of Immanuel Kant, he would really point out that such mercenary dual interests, would certainly rule out the US as fit to command his Federation of Nations.

Also a small nation like Israel armed by the US with the most potent of weaponry, and with total US backing, would certainly not have Immanuel Kant's nor even Konrad Adenauer's favour.

In fact, it seems the US has visions of a type of a colonial-type Indian Dyarky or ersatz democracy over the whole Middle East, with US nuclear projectiles protecting the system.

In short, the Middle East problems need Kant’s Federation of Nations principle more than any global political problem before it.

It is so interesting that the above interpretation can be talked about in our Murdoch School of Humanities, but never much out in the street, and even among many of our onliners, who would call an aging myself a bleeding heart or fruitcake.

Cheers, Bashdar, keep on going for it, matey.

George C, WA - Bushbred

Bashdar,

For heavens sake get you facts right. The British Mandate over palestine was approved by the League of Nations in June 1922. The League did not exist in 1917, being created by the Versailles Peace Conference. A good article on the subject of the mandate appears in Wikipedia.

This conflict will never end as it is related to spiritual inheritance which is acted out by the 2 streams that originate from Issac and Ishmael according to the Bible. Both will claim sovereinity of the promised land. This is a battle in the heavenlies which is acted out on earth. Peace is tried through negotiation and is temporary as the roots of division are spiritual and not just physical. Therefore no change is possible or seen. It is an ideological battle and people are prepared to die for it. God help us all.

Jeshua.. HALELUJAH.. another person who recognizes the REAL root of the problem.

SOLUTION. (as previously stated)

1/ Defeat
2/ Deport
3/ Disperse
4/ Absorb.

This would equally apply to either the Jewish OR the Palestinian Arab Muslims.

LEARN FROM HISTORY.

1/ SHALMANEZER V 722BC(Assyrian).... followed this policy against Samaria and the 10 tribes (Northern Israel)

2/ NEBACHUDNEZER (Babylonian) 539BC followed the same policy against Judah, the remaining 2 tribes.

In BOTH CASES... the 'Jewish problem' (as they saw it) was solved.

3/ CYRUS the Persian (a member of the Greens and Democrats, and a card carrying member of the Socialist Alliance of the day) used the 'Restoration and Tolerance' approach and allowed the Jews to return to Judah.

OUTCOME 1.. "Immediate" CONFLICT with the Arabs of the day who had moved in to fill the vacuum left by the Jews. (refer books of Ezra and Nehemiah in old testament)Many are ancestors to the Palestinians of today.

OUTCOME 2.. Rise of Jewish nationalism.

3/ ROMAN EMPIRE faced a "Jewish Nationalism Problem" They used the same policy of the Assyrians and Babylonians.....

-defeat
-deportation
-dispersion
-absorption

of the Jews and this lasted from AD70/135 until 1948...not a bad run.

Now... 2006 we see the result of restoring the Jews to Israel.

So... 2 choices exist.

1/ Exile the Jews.
2/ Exile the Muslims (those in the refugee Camps)

Given the power of the IDF, I hardly think they will be exiled.
That leaves ONE....choice ..and I guarantee it will work :)

I repeat LEARN....from HISTORY.

The Difficulties inherent in the ongoing conflict in Lebanon are probably best encapsulated by the following statements by member organizations of the Lebanese Diaspora (particularly in Canada). The following statement was written by 14 separate such organizations, and lays the blame for the conflict, not on Israel, but on Damascus and Tehran, on 17 July 2006:

http://www.10452lccc.com/fpm.canada/diaspora17.7.06.htm*

Another statement by 13 Organisations (some may be represented twice), 13 July 2006:

http://www.10452lccc.com/fpm.canada/diaspora.engrelease13.7.06.htm*

An article by a Professor, Dr Joseph Hitti, detailing the prospects for achieving peace through this conflict (21 July 2006):

http://www.10452lccc.com/neal/hitti21.7.06.htm*

Another article by Dr Hitti (16 July 2006):

http://www.10452lccc.com/neal/hitti16.7.06.htm*

I assume that many of the posters on this forum may wish to visit this site, and examine for themselves the other side of Lebanese politics, which sadly has been virtually or even actually exiled over the past years. This is a Lebanese site, and contrary to what I expect will be charged, these people are not apologists for Israel.

However, those who actually wish to understand the current problem would be well advised to visit this site. I have read a great number of their articles, and on the whole I find them very useful and particularly enlightening. I suggest that a couple of the protagonists on this forum read very carefully the first & second articles by Dr Hitti, which deals with the vexed issue of the Sheba’a farms and their ownership.

However, as stated it is an independent Lebanese site, and at times can be very critical of Israel, I accept that, but overall this is an important resource, please treat it with respect. Also understand, before accusing them of bias, that 8 Canadian/Lebanese citizens were accidentally killed by the IAF the other day.

These people whilst not exactly pro-Israel, are vehemently anti-Hizbollah.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend?

* Please note that links to this site have a tendency to be deleted after being posted, these people are not on Syria/Iran/Hizbollah’s birthday card list. Their home page is: http://www.10452lccc.com/

Inshallah

2bob