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China and India are more than a market for our minerals : Comments

By Peter Brook, published 16/5/2006

Australian business leaders should get over to China and India and take a look.

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It's good that the article, even if only at the end, is somewhat critical of the current policy of simply digging up non-renewable mineral resources and exporting them to China and that some concern about establishing sustainability is expressed.

However, the kind of economic growth that this article advocates for India and China still won't be possible without the export of massive quanitities of those non-renewable resources, and is therefore still unsustainable.

Any additional economic activity which draws further on the earth's non-renewable resources must be discouraged as far as possible both here and in countries such as China and India. Instead, we need to develop economic systems which only draw on the interest provided by nature rather than the capital. For further information, see these web sites:

http://www.energybulletin.net/7406.html and http://www.holmgren.com.au
Posted by daggett, Tuesday, 16 May 2006 11:06:27 AM
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>and then start thinking.

And then start thinking how they can make money out of the Chinese and Indians. Firstly, this has been a mantra for twenty years in Australia, and it's written here like it's something new. Ah, the politics of forgetting. Secondly, and apropo, business leaders should start thinking, not just about money but social, political and moral relationships to the developing economies of China and India. Only then will they be in a position to deal with the complex problems of working in these places.
Posted by mhar, Tuesday, 16 May 2006 6:12:35 PM
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>>Any additional economic activity which draws further on the earth's non-renewable resources must be discouraged as far as possible both here and in countries such as China and India.<<

Post-colonial arrogance.

It is just fine for the developed countries to have enjoyed many decades of a booming economy on the back of "non-renewable resources", but as soon as there are signs that developing countries might jump on the train, in come the do-gooders, wagging their self-righteous fingers.

"Don't cut down those trees", "Don't buy our uranium", "Don't burn fossil fuels" - all resources we have been happily exploiting for years.

Now, of course, we have a sudden rush of virtue, just as those economies emerge as potential world market competitors.

How convenient.

It would be a different matter if we were setting some kind of example, instead of simply pontificating. If we are so certain that a new model is needed, why don't we build one first, before telling everyone else how to run their lives. Such presumption is very unattractive.

We have to face the fact sooner or later that we have very little control over the economic activity of other countries. If they are working their way through the same cycle that the vast majority of economies have to go through, then that's what they will do. If it involves cheap(er) labour and the consumption of significant amounts of minerals to get there, then that is exactly what it will take.

Whatever the consequences, we need to respect the sovereignty of other countries, and their inalienable right to "do it their way", even if we disapprove.
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 16 May 2006 7:12:39 PM
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The problem is that most of our Mining institutes are majority Foreign owned, so they are digging it up and supplying themselves and those they wish to do business with.

Our Government seems to be afraid to combine Australian skills, leadership and ownership of our mineral deposits and get out there and do business in favour of all profits returning to Australians and their families.

The Aboriginal talk about the invasion of the white man. Well Australian are getting a taste of an invasion of economics.

No need for war or geneocide.
Posted by Suebdootwo, Thursday, 18 May 2006 2:17:30 PM
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China's dark ages are here and are being revealed to the world now.

The Australian Coalition to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong (CIPFG) is authorised to release the following landmark independent investigation report in Australia:

REPORT INTO ALLEGATIONS OF ORGAN HARVESTING OF
FALUN GONG PRACTITIONERS IN CHINA
by David Matas and David Kilgour
July 6, 2006
Read the report: http://investigation.redirectme.net/

“Based on what we now know, we have come to the regrettable conclusion that the allegations are true. We believe that there has been and continues today to be large scale organ seizures from unwilling Falun Gong practitioners.” [Report excerpt]

The report was voluntarily prepared by Canadian Member of Parliament David Kilgour, (former director of Asia and Pacific division of Canadian Foreign Affairs Ministry) and renowned Canadian human rights lawyer, David Matas and backed by Members of Parliament from all parties. The report was released to the Canadian government July 6 after two months of research, with recommendations for diplomatic pressure and sanctions on China.

“I urge you to read this report and to make a contribution, in any way, to immediately investigate and stop these atrocities continuing in our world today.” Said John Xiao, CIPFG Spokesperson, Australia.

“This ‘living human trade’ is completely unacceptable in our country and to us, not only as Australians, but as human beings. At the absolute very least it warrants immediate investigation by the Australian government.” Said Mr Xiao.

The Australian CIPFG, established in April this year, has a growing membership of political, medical, legal and religious representatives, who do not practice Falun Gong, but who understand the urgency, as human beings, to investigate such atrocities.
For more information, Contact:
John Xiao, CIPFG Spokesperson, Australia, Mobile: 0425 885 768
Email: australia_cipfg@optusnet.com.au

my comment
So please dont talk about economics and democracy for Chinese people with the present rulers --- a brutal communist regime..

PLease see past the greed and remember history the Jewish Holocast Hitler's rise to power thru ecomonic reform., Olympic Games and then
marched on the world.

We all better start believing that truth compassion and forbearance will save the day....
Posted by Jana Banana, Sunday, 9 July 2006 6:13:48 PM
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