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Poverty is a violation of human rights : Comments

By Thomas Pogge, published 1/8/2005

Thomas Pogge asks when does severe poverty manifest as a violation of human rights?

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A more intelligent topic might be conducted on the basis that "Violation of Human rights causes Poverty".

With Ethiopian farmers facing tax rates of 89%, then theft is institutionalised and poverty assured. With land confiscation destroying the economy and human well being in Zimbabwe what starker reminder do we need of the poverty that is created when the statists trample the rights of individuals?

Free people rarely suffer from poverty. It requires a mindless philosphy of statist excess to really rub peoples face in the dirt.

It is strange that people want to globalise a system that has caused such misery, especially when they proclaim it as some kind of cure
Posted by Terje, Wednesday, 3 August 2005 9:16:55 PM
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Just as the violation of economic rights is structurally institutionalised in world trade agreements, and domestic political regimes, the solution to this problem requires sustained institutional reform, at the local and international level.

Therefore while private poverty reduction programmes via the NGO community will have a substantial and growing effect on world poverty, there is a real need to create enforceable economic rights at international law, such that the stakeholders in the international economic community are held accountable for culpable failure to provide guaranteed minimum living standards, on a global scale.

There needs to be a realisation of genuine social security at the international level, as failure to act in this area constitutes a real crime against humanity.
Posted by David Mason, Thursday, 4 August 2005 4:33:53 AM
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If we look at the "centres of poverty" around the world we will see alot similarities, just as we see alot of similarities in the "rich nations".

The excesses of dictators and despots need to be not just curbed but terminated.

Tribal nepotism needs to be eradicated

Democratic institutions need to be respected and supported.

Respect for individuals needs to be paramount.

If you want to do anything you have to have the authority to act.

Simply blaming rich countries for the shortcomings of poor countries is a pseudo-socialist guilt trip mixed up with paternalistic twaddle.

The real problem is, nowadays, "re-colonialisation" would be frowned upon.
Posted by Col Rouge, Thursday, 4 August 2005 1:44:22 PM
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The socialist mindset recommends a form of policy poison as a cure. Global social security would be a disaster, not progress.

The most sacred form of property is the individuals ownership of their own labour. This should be a most obvious and basic right that we defend. So long as excessive taxes continue to aggresively confiscate the fruits of individuals labour then nations will remain on a slow or zero growth path.

The key to having a high wage and prospereous nation is an abundance of capital in all its forms. When the capital to labour ratio is high then so are wages. So taxing capital is another foolish endeavour.

Prosperity is built when governments are honest and lean. Unfortunately the third world suffers from fat and dishonest government.
Posted by Terje, Thursday, 4 August 2005 9:36:28 PM
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Yes, there was no mention of poor countries taking some responsibility themselves.Govt corruption, aid used for war, and making no attempt at birth control.No aid should be given unless these issues are addressed.

The bleeding hearts have just made the problem worse.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 6 August 2005 9:44:21 AM
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The following article comes close to the real truth about African poverty.

http://www.wanniski.com/PrintPage.asp?TextID=4544

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~ 15 children die of starvation every day in Niger, that of every 1000 children born there, 262 fail to reach their fifth birthday, and that $300 million in the world’s annual aid to the 12 million people of Niger goes mainly to “debt relief,”

~ I went to my sources to check on Niger’s tax system. I found that ... the top rate of 52% is encountered at about $600 per year!! Capital gains is taxed at ordinary rates, which means that virtually any investment in the country that produces a gain means more than half goes to the government. Of course there is no investment under those conditions, and I will assure you that the government gets no revenue from the capital gains tax… and that it pays its tax collectors more to collect the income-tax than they receive in revenue.

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What really blew my mind, though, was finding that Niger’s Value-Added Tax, which until April was 17% ON TOP of the confiscatory rates on income, was increased to 19% in April in the midst of the famine and starvation!! There were so many riots across Niger, twice the size of Texas, that within a week the government decided to exempt a few items from the tax. But there is zero chance the people of Niger can climb out of the deep pit the IMF and World Bank has dug for it unless YOU make it happen.
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In Australia you have to earn about A$1800 per week before they tax you at 50 cents in the dollar. In Niger it happens as soon as you earn more than A$16 per week.

And their GST is nearly double ours.

Their kids are starving to death on our TVs and their government wants to take half their income!! What an awful situation.
Posted by Terje, Sunday, 7 August 2005 2:48:43 PM
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