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Muslim leaders, itís time to get serious : Comments

By Patrick Goodenough, published 2/8/2005

Patrick Goodenough argues it is time for Muslims to denounce terrorists and prevent mosques being used to spread bigootry and hatred.

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I hate to say this, but Patrick's analysis is just not good enough.

He basically tries to claim that popular Muslim support for Palestinian human rights is to be equated with terrorism.

A bit like me claiming that Joe Gutnick's and Daniel Pipes' criticism of Ariel Sharon shutting down Gaza settlements or Jewish community leadership silence over Israeli atricities is to be equated with Jewish chauvinism of the sort that led one rabbi to declare at the funeral of a Jewish terrorist: "The blood of a thousand Muslims does not even equate to one Jewish fingernail".

This is simplistic analysis. It is really an attempt to deflect criticism away from Israel, or to mix the issues of terror and Israeli atrocities.

Muslims must condemn terror. And they are condemning it. That Patrick does not see and recognise this fact whilst expecting to be taken seriously as a journalist is just not good enough.

Condemning teror must not equate with blind support for the actions of regimes seeking to erect walls between neighbours.

Sorry for the puns. I permit you to play games with my surname.
Posted by Irfan, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:47:41 AM
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I hate to say it, but his analysis is SPOT ON.

As I've repeated ad nauseum, its not the 'nice blokes' like you Irfan who are the problem its the Syrian Sheiks etc who blatantly insult our culture, laws and social structures, and tell us about 'Plans of action in place'.

Irfan. What is the Islamic community is doing about the rampant extortion of inner city clugbs they KNOW is going on, and by WHOM .. in the Auburn/Punchbowl area,the streets, the houses, the families, the names.

Do a check on the Jeff Fenech incident. Jeff is (allegedly)maliciously attacked by Khalid Nagi with a broken bottle along with for other muslims, at his CLUB..... why ? Then, 'miraculously' Jeff Fenech declares "The incident is behind me, no charges will be laid".... Irfan, we both know what is going on here. What is the Lakemba Mosque doing about it ? After all, its just up the road from Punchbowl and the Telopea st boys.

What is the Islamic leadership doing about Saleh Jamal who, after being convicted of shooting up the Lakemba police station, is bailed and joins a PRAYER group at the Mosque, and berates all of YOU for 'not being Islamic enough'! Then he flees bail and is arrested in Lebanon for terrorism.

To what level is the Islamic community ostracizing the gang racist rapists and their families .. one minute 55 yrs in Jail for racist rape, then some slippery lawyer gets them off !

When we see the punishment start to come thick and fast on these people, we might start supporting the Islamic leadership, or is it too cowed by the bully boy tactics of these men ?

When the Muslim community dishes out to its own,what it would dish out to we 'skippy/white trash'. You will have some credibility.

You know as well as I do, that the community could 'deal' with these people. WHY don't they ?

Irfan, you think we are 'fringe'..you need to get out more.
60 minutes, the CTF case. is changing this country in ways you would not dream of.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 3:33:12 PM
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The article is spot on, but it's not enough. It's a common misconception that most Muslims are against terrorism, after 9/11 they were dancing in the streets in Merrylands. A large poll in Britain last week showed that 24% of Muslims support terrorism in Britain in some sense, with 6% of that saying they are right behind them. All our Islamic leaders are either total supporters of terrorism or at least sympathetic, to not be would be un-Islamic. This comes out in their Freudian slips, such as how Sheik Hilali, Keysar Trad, as well as many others, blamed the US foreign policy in Iraq for London's attack, and how when ex-kidnapped hostage Douglas Wood said his kidnappers were "arseholes", they said things like "Well they did feed him, give him medicine" which should show even the most extreme on the left that these guys are evil to the core, they probably laugh at home when a westerner is beheaded. It also explains why DVD's of westerners being beheaded in Iraq are selling like hotcakes in every Muslim town, can they all be extremists buying them? Of course Muslims won't condemn each other, Bakri is right, it is an act of apostacy. What I found outrageous is that as a white European, I've learnt that my culture, ie. the west, went through what Muslims will have to soon, some sort of reformation, as we did in the 1500's! How dare they come to our secular, open, tolerant lands, do nothing of those who preach hate in their community, apologise for terrorism, use our freedom of speech laws against us, and drag us through their violence. The west needs to untie fast. Italy has just banned the wearing of the burqa, good on them as its a sick symbol of oppression. We must do the same.
Posted by Benjamin, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 4:41:05 PM
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I saw a protest in Britain by Muslims supposedly demonstrating against terrorism in the wake of the London bombings. It turns out that they were really protesting against the British National Party? (a law abiding group with no ties to terrorism of any sort - figure that one out).
Posted by davo, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 4:44:14 PM
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BOAZ_David, I'll tell you what Muslim leaders are doing about their out of control, rampaging youth, who roam around in gangs of twenty at Darling Harbour on a Friday night, bashing white Australian males while they yell sexual obscenities at their girlfriends, if they don't attempt to rape them. Those like Irfan think something is being done in their community, what a joke....I saw Irfan, if it's the same one, on the Today show last week on some Muslim forum, where they all just peddled their own version of nonsense, although to be fair he didn't, and none of them let the only female there talk, I wonder why? Why didn't Irfan condemn that young Wassim, leader of Hizbut-Tahrir? I remember when Saddam was caught, Muslims everywhere were furious, an insult to Arab honour they said that a negro US soldier had his boot on Saddams head in the dirt, which shows their racism. To support Saddam because Christians who captured him is sick. The same occured after gulf war 1, with PR teams sent in to film Pakistani tanks, Jordanian soldiers,and others, to show their respective peoples that it was they who defeated Saddam, not the US. Apparently Arabs like to feel strong the narrator said. This is how they're societies are, tribalistic & violent, but impotent & weak compared to the west.

They should never have been brought here, unless under a total assimilation policy. How can we ever accept Muslims when they consider Sharia Law to be the laws set down by God to govern earth? A system which even the weak, impotent United Nations has called barbaric.

Anyway, about what they are doing? They have been pressuring for years to have statistics regarding crime fall under the categories of caucasion for middle eastern people. The ABS has tabulated data, and I've got a graph that shows now caucasion crime way out of control because they are included.These ethnic leaders, ethnocentric to the core, who wish to remain seperate in every regard, want to hide their identity regarding crime.
Posted by Benjamin, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 5:13:51 PM
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Irfan,I have followed your postings for quite a while. I thought that you were a person with whom one could have a dialogue. Alas, I am proven wrong. Your unbalanced talk of Israeli "atrocities" and the funeral of a "Jewish terrorist" shows that you are no different to those who seek Israel's destruction, such as Hamas.
Posted by Ari Ben Canaan, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:29:46 PM
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